Can a Set of Four Vectors in ℝ³ Span the Space?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a set of four vectors in ℝ³ can span the space. The original poster presents two parts to the problem, asking for reasons supporting the possibility of spanning and whether all such sets would span ℝ³.

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  • The original poster attempts to assert that a linear combination of the vectors can form any vector in ℝ³, but expresses uncertainty about their reasoning. Other participants question the implications of specific vector examples and the dimensionality of the space.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights regarding the limitations of certain vector sets, particularly concerning their ability to span the space based on dimensionality and the nature of the vectors involved. There is no explicit consensus yet.

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Participants are considering the implications of having vectors with zero components and the general rule that a set with fewer than n vectors cannot span a vector space of dimension n.

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Homework Statement


Consider a set of vectors:

S = {v_{1}, v_{2}, v_{3}, v_{4}\subset ℝ^{3}

a) Can S be a spanning set for ℝ^{3}? Give reasons for your answer.
b) Will all such sets S be spanning sets? Give a reason for your answer.


The Attempt at a Solution



a) Yes, because a linear combination of these vectors can form any given vector in ℝ^{3}.

b) Yes, don't really know a reason besides something similar to the one above, I can't see why not.

I'm not really sure of these answers, can anyone confirm this, or given any insight to understand this better?

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What about, {(1, 1, 0), (1, 2, 0), (3, 1, 0)}?
 
Well I guess since the 3rd elements are zero, you can't form a vector in ℝ^{3} which has a non-zero 3rd element.

So part b is definitely a no. However part a "can" be since they haven't explicitly defined the vectors, so it's possible given that zero/non-zero condition, is that the only reason?
 
In general, a set with fewer than n vectors cannot span a vector space of dimenson n but a set with n or more vectors may. A set with more than n vectors cannot be independent but a set with n or fewer may. Only with sets with exactly n vectors is it possible to both span and be independent (a basis).
 

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