Can a solid sympathetically resonate at a harmonic?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of sympathetic resonance in solids, particularly focusing on whether materials like steel wires or xylophone keys can resonate at harmonic frequencies similar to strings. Participants explore the implications for designing musical instruments that utilize solid tines to achieve sympathetic resonance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that strings can sympathetically resonate at harmonic intervals, questioning if this property extends to other solids like steel wires or xylophone keys.
  • Another participant asserts that various solids, including bridges and xylophones, can resonate, but notes that glass may not be a suitable example.
  • A participant speculates that objects may be less sensitive to sympathetic resonance at higher harmonics compared to their fundamental frequency.
  • There is a query about whether a smaller number of tines could be designed to resonate at multiple harmonics, rather than needing a tine for each note.
  • One participant references a source that discusses the relationship between harmonics and fundamental frequencies, noting that the first harmonic's frequency is significantly higher than the fundamental for certain objects.
  • Another participant clarifies that the higher modes of vibration in real objects are referred to as overtones, as they do not always correspond to harmonic frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of sympathetic resonance in solids and the relationship between harmonics and overtones. There is no consensus on whether solids can resonate at harmonics in the same manner as strings, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the design implications for musical instruments.

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Participants highlight the complexity of sympathetic resonance in different materials and the potential for varying sensitivity to harmonics. The discussion includes references to specific frequencies and the definitions of harmonics versus overtones, which may depend on the context of the materials discussed.

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Hi everyone, first time post here.

I know (or at least think I know) that strings can sympathetically resonate at harmonic intervals. For example, a string whose fundamental is 400Hz is able to resonate at 800Hz if it's excited by a 800Hz source. Maybe I'm wrong on that as well? heh..

Anyways, what I'm wondering is if being able to resonate at harmonic frequencies is something that is just reserved for strings?

Can a solid steel wire do the same, or can an xylophone key for that matter?
 
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They certainly can. Glass isn't a good example (it's not really a solid). Bridges resonate. And your Xylophone too.

Oh, I almost forgot : Hello MW, welcome to PF :smile: !
Have fun here!
 
Thanks BvU,

I'm guessing that objects are less sensitive to sympathetically resonating at higher harmonics, compared to their fundamental right?

I'm trying to design a musical instrument that has solid 'tines' (these can be made of any material, and any shape) for each note that resonate sypathetically to an audio input. I'm just wondering if I need a tine for every note, or if I can just have a smaller # of tines that are able to also resonate at their 1st, 2nd, 3rd harmonic, etc.

I'm also wondering if there's any way to shape the tines to be more sensitive to resonating at their harmonics.

Sorry, I know this is more of a musical instrument sort of question and not a physics question. But as far as I can find, there's no existing instrument to draw much knowledge from on this subject.
 
Nidum said:

Perfect, thank you. So the first harmonic's frequency is 6.27 x the fundamental, and the second harmonic is 17.55 x the fundamental. That's definitely not "Musical" in the way strings' harmonic frequencies double the fundamental. Ruh Roh..
 
The higher modes of vibration of 'real' objects are more correctly called 'overtones' because the frequencies are not harmonics. Some are wildly out ( bells and cymbals) and some are quite near (woodwind and strings).
A Harmonic is an integer multiple of a fundamental frequency.
 

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