Can a triple star have a planet around it ?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of planets existing in triple star systems, specifically focusing on the Alpha Centauri system. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, observational challenges, and the dynamics of planetary orbits in such complex stellar environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that planets can exist around dual and triple star systems, referencing the concepts of S-type and P-type orbits.
  • One participant highlights that a P-type orbit allows a planet to orbit both stars as if they were a single object, while an S-type orbit involves a planet orbiting only one star.
  • There are various configurations for planets in triple star systems, including scenarios where two stars orbit each other and a third star is more distant, or where a planet orbits one star closely while being influenced by others.
  • Concerns are raised about the observational difficulties in detecting planets around Alpha Centauri, particularly due to the need for planets to transit in front of their stars from Earth's perspective.
  • Some participants note that while Alpha Centauri is a triple star system, the distance of Proxima Centauri complicates the gravitational dynamics and detection of potential planets.
  • There is mention of the challenges in confirming the existence of planets in the Alpha Centauri system, with some evidence being debated and the possibility of undetected planets remaining.
  • One participant discusses the gravitational interactions and stability of orbits in relation to the distances between the stars and potential planets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence of planets in triple star systems, particularly Alpha Centauri, with no consensus reached on whether planets are present or detectable. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of planetary existence and detection methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on observational techniques that may not capture all planets, the complexity of gravitational interactions in triple star systems, and the ongoing debates surrounding specific findings related to Alpha Centauri.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, exoplanet research, or the dynamics of multi-star systems.

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can dual star and triple star have planet around it ( possible ? ) . alpha centauri is a triple star right ? is it having any planet around it ? thanks for any response in advance .
 
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Sure they can. Have a look at this paper for example:
S-Type and P-Type Habitability in Stellar Binary Systems: A Comprehensive Approach. I. Method and Applications
abstract said:
A comprehensive approach is provided to the study of both S-type and P-type habitability in stellar binary systems, which in principle can also be expanded to systems of higher order. P-type orbits occur when the planet orbits both binary components, whereas in case of S-type orbits the planet orbits only one of the binary components with the second component considered a perturbator.

Googling "p-type orbit" and "s-type orbit" will net you more sources and a bunch of pictures to help with visualisation.

As for Alpha Centauri, this was in the news not a long time ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/science/space/new-planet-found-in-alpha-centauri.html
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/16/alpha-centauri-has-a-planet/#.U2TzC6K0O5s
...but then another analysis cast doubts on the discovery:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/s...cast-doubt-on-the-closest-exoplanet.html?_r=0
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/no-planet-of-alphacentaurib/

Here's the paper the latter two articles talk about:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.4960

So whether Alpha Centauri system actually does have a planet or planets is still unknown. There's certainly little in the way of physics to make it impossible.
 
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Those two kinds of orbit are for a planet of a binary star.

A p-type orbit is what a planet has when it orbits both stars as if they were one object, making it a "Tatooine planet". It is stable if the planet is farther away than about 3 times the average distance between the stars.

An s-type orbit is what a planet has when it orbits only one of the stars. It is stable if the planet is more than 3 times closer to that star than the average distance between the stars.


In the Solar System and in multiple-star systems, orbits decompose into a hierarchy of approximate two-body orbits. The same is evidently true of these calculated binary-star planets.

So for a triple-star system, here are the possibilities.

Two of the stars orbit each other, and their combined system and the third also orbit each other.

The planet is much closer to one of the stars than to any of the other ones (s-type).

The planet orbits the two close stars as if they were one, but is much closer to them than to the third, more distant star (hybrid).

The planet orbits all three stars as if they were one (p-type).
 
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Bandersnatch said:
So whether Alpha Centauri system actually does have a planet or planets is still unknown. There's certainly little in the way of physics to make it impossible.

while the scientists are able to spot some of the planets of distant star , why can't they find it out from the closest star alpha cenaturi ?
i thought alpha centauri was a triple star system , isn't it ?
 
Yeah, Alpha Centauri is a triple star system, but the third component(Proxima Centauri) is so far removed from the other two that it almost straddles the line between being its own star and being gravitationally bound.

With the exoplanets, you have to understand what it takes to find one.
It has to orbit the star in the plane that makes it pass in front of the star as seen from Earth, which automatically means we can't see the vast majority of planets out there.

Then the planet has to obscure enough of the parent star's light to be noticed among the usual variations in brightness and random noise. This means that the planets that are the easiest to find are large gas giants on tight orbits(you can recognise a repetitive pattern better than a single dip).

What I'm saying, is that we can't really say that we've 'mapped' a system and found out that there are X and only X planets in it. All we can say is that a planet definitely is there, if we see it.


By the way, if you're interested in exoplanets, check this site out:
www.planethunters.org
It let's you take part in the search by looking at light curves and trying to identify dips caused by planets transiting in front of observed stars.
 
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Sun, 300 000 times the mass of Earth, manages to permit Moon to orbit Earth with period only 13 times shorter than the orbital period of Earth. There are perturbations - the orbital plane of Moon and the apside line are changing very fast. But Moon manages to keep same inclination to zodiac and same eccentricity all the time, in long term.

Alpha Centauri components stay at least 11 AU from each other. So a planet could orbit as far as Mars from either star, or both stars might have planets.

We know that Polyphemus does not exist, or we would have seen it. But we barely see the supposed Bb out of noise, and it is supposed to be only slightly more massive than Earth and on a much closer orbit than Mercury. So a planet with the size and orbit of Earth or Venus around either Alpha Centauri member could easily exist and we would not see it. Or several such planets for each component.
 
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