Can a Unique Polynomial Satisfy Specific Integral Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the existence and uniqueness of a polynomial \( q(x) \) in the vector space of real polynomials of degree \( \leq n \) that satisfies the integral equation \( \int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx = \int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx \) for all polynomials \( p(x) \) in that space. The focus is particularly on the case when \( n=1 \) and the methods to derive \( q(x) \).

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there is a unique polynomial \( q(x) \) satisfying the integral equation based on the Riesz representation theorem.
  • Others argue that \( q(x) \) may not be unique, suggesting that different forms of \( q(x) \) could yield valid solutions.
  • A participant questions which version of the Riesz representation theorem applies in this context.
  • Participants discuss deriving \( q(x) \) by substituting specific polynomials \( p(x) \) and setting up equations based on the resulting integrals.
  • There is mention of using \( p(x) = 1 \) and \( p(x) = x \) to create a system of equations to solve for the coefficients of \( q(x) \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the uniqueness of the polynomial \( q(x) \). While some participants assert its uniqueness, others present arguments suggesting that multiple forms could satisfy the integral equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Riesz representation theorem and its implications for the uniqueness of \( q(x) \), but the specific conditions and assumptions related to the theorem's application remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying functional analysis, polynomial approximation, or integral equations, particularly in the context of linear functionals and their representations.

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Hello! (Wave)

Let $\mathbb{R}[x]_{ \leq n}$ be the vector space of the real polynomials of degree $\leq n$, where $n$ a natural number. I want to show that there is a unique $q(x) \in \mathbb{R}[x]_{\leq n}$, with the property that $\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx=\int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx$, for each $p(x) \in \mathbb{R}[x]_{\leq n}$. For $n=1$, I want to find the above polynomial $q(x)$.Could you give me a hint how to prove the uniqueness of a polynomial $q$ with the property that $\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx=\int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx$ ? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

Let $\mathbb{R}[x]_{ \leq n}$ be the vector space of the real polynomials of degree $\leq n$, where $n$ a natural number. I want to show that there is a unique $q(x) \in \mathbb{R}[x]_{\leq n}$, with the property that $\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx=\int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx$, for each $p(x) \in \mathbb{R}[x]_{\leq n}$. For $n=1$, I want to find the above polynomial $q(x)$.Could you give me a hint how to prove the uniqueness of a polynomial $q$ with the property that $\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx=\int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx$ ? (Thinking)

Hey evinda!

Suppose that for a given $p(x)$ with $\int_0^1 p(x)dx\ne 0$ we assume that $q(x)=q_0$.
Then:
$$\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx=\int_0^1 p(x) q(x) dx
=\int p(x)q_0dx \quad\Rightarrow\quad
q_0=\frac{\int_{-1}^1 p(x) e^x dx}{\int_0^1 p(x)dx}
$$
Similarly we can assume that $q(x)=q_1 x$ and find a different solution, can't we? (Wondering)

It seems to me that $q(x)$ is not unique. (Worried)
 
I like Serena said:
It seems to me that $q(x)$ is not unique. (Worried)

It is indeed the case that $q(x)$ is unique. Let the vector space $\Bbb R[x]_{\le n}$ be equipped with the inner product defined by setting $\langle p,q\rangle = \int_0^1 p(x)q(x)\, dx$. The mapping $L : \Bbb R[x]_{\le n} \to \Bbb R$ defined by the equation $L(p) = \int_{-1}^1 p(x)e^x\, dx$ is a linear functional on the finite-dimensional normed linear space $(\Bbb R[x]_{\le n}, \langle\cdot,\cdot\rangle)$, so by the Riesz representation theorem there is a unique $q(x) \in \Bbb R[x]_{\le n}$ such that $L(p) = \langle p,q\rangle$ for all $p(x)\in \Bbb R[x]$, i.e., $\int_{-1}^1 p(x)e^x\, dx = \int_0^1 p(x)q(x)\, dx$ for all $p(x)\in \Bbb R[x]$.

In the case $n = 1$, write $p(x) = a + bx$ and set up two equations with $p(x) = 1$ and then $p(x) = x$ to obtain the solution for $p(x)$.
 
Euge said:
It is indeed the case that $q(x)$ is unique. Let the vector space $\Bbb R[x]_{\le n}$ be equipped with the inner product defined by setting $\langle p,q\rangle = \int_0^1 p(x)q(x)\, dx$. The mapping $L : \Bbb R[x]_{\le n} \to \Bbb R$ defined by the equation $L(p) = \int_{-1}^1 p(x)e^x\, dx$ is a linear functional on the finite-dimensional normed linear space $(\Bbb R[x]_{\le n}, \langle\cdot,\cdot\rangle)$, so by the Riesz representation theorem there is a unique $q(x) \in \Bbb R[x]_{\le n}$ such that $L(p) = \langle p,q\rangle$ for all $p(x)\in \Bbb R[x]$, i.e., $\int_{-1}^1 p(x)e^x\, dx = \int_0^1 p(x)q(x)\, dx$ for all $p(x)\in \Bbb R[x]$.

Which version of the Riesz representation theorem do we use? (Thinking)
Euge said:
In the case $n = 1$, write $p(x) = a + bx$ and set up two equations with $p(x) = 1$ and then $p(x) = x$ to obtain the solution for $p(x)$.

For $p(x)=1$ we get that $\int_0^1 q(x) dx=e-\frac{1}{e}$.

For $p(x)=x$ we get that $\int_0^1 x q(x) dx=xe^x-\left( e-\frac{1}{e}\right)$.

How do we find from the above equalities the function $q(x)$ ? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Which version of the Riesz representation theorem do we use? (Thinking)
Baby Version: If $L : V \to \Bbb C$ is a linear functional on a finite dimensonal inner product space, then there is a unique $w\in V$ such that $L(v) = \langle v,w\rangle$ for all $v\in V$.
evinda said:
For $p(x)=1$ we get that $\int_0^1 q(x) dx=e-\frac{1}{e}$.

For $p(x)=x$ we get that $\int_0^1 x q(x) dx=xe^x-\left( e-\frac{1}{e}\right)$.

How do we find from the above equalities the function $q(x)$ ? (Thinking)
You are suppose to compute the integrals involving $q$ using the form $q(x) = a + bx$. This will result in a system of two equations in two unknowns $a$ and $b$.
 

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