Can AC devices (like heaters etc) work on DC power supply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of using direct current (DC) power supplies for heating elements and other devices typically powered by alternating current (AC). Participants explore the practical differences between AC and DC, particularly regarding heating elements like Nickel-Chromium wires and incandescent bulbs, as well as the implications for device longevity and operational characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that simple heating wires can operate on DC without issues, provided the average current is equivalent to that of AC.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of turning off DC-powered devices, as DC lacks zero crossings, which can complicate the operation of mechanical switches.
  • It is noted that incandescent light bulbs can function on DC if the voltage matches the RMS rating of the AC supply, although they may have a shorter lifespan on DC due to filament evaporation patterns.
  • Questions arise regarding the longevity of heating elements like Silicon Carbide and Nickel-Chromium wires when powered by AC versus DC.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the preference for DC in powering graphite heating elements and seek references to clarify this point.
  • One participant mentions a specific application involving Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy devices and questions the specifications of their power supplies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the advantages or disadvantages of using AC versus DC for various heating elements. Multiple competing views remain regarding the operational characteristics and longevity of devices powered by different current types.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific reasons for the use of DC in certain applications and the implications for device performance, particularly regarding the longevity of heating elements.

Panthera Leo
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Hello,

Is it possible to run heating and elements and other devices with DC supply?

I have turned on Nickel-Chromium Heating wires with AC but is it okay to use it with DC supply?

What's the main practical difference between AC & DC, as long as the voltage and current of supply is similar?

Many thanks :)
 
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If you have a simple heating wire, I would not expect issues with DC (as long as the average current is the same). If you have some electronic system, it can require AC.
 
Turning it off might get interesting.
Mechanical switches count on the natural zero crossing of the power line sine wave to help quench the arc.
DC has no zero crossing so requires a much more robust switch.
Look at the DC vs AC ratings of a typical switch.

That'd be the only trouble spot I see for the resistive load you describe.
Motors driving say a fan or timer are quite another story.old jim
 
Thanks :) I see, so even a tungsten bulb will work fine with DC if I have understood correctly.
 
Panthera Leo said:
Thanks :) I see, so even a tungsten bulb will work fine with DC if I have understood correctly.
An incandescent light bulb will work just as well on DC if you match its voltage to the RMS rating of the AC supply. For 120 VAC, you'd need 120 VDC etc. They typically last longer on AC, though, since on DC, if I recall correctly, the ionized filament will evaporate from one end and deposit at the other, leaving a thin structure behind to burn through.
 
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Thanks milesyoung, very interesting indeed... how about heating elements like Silicon Carbide or Nicrome wires, they too last longer on AC?

I haven't really figured out why is it that the Graphite heating elements are plugged in DC generally speaking...?! Is there any special reason?
 
Panthera Leo said:
Thanks milesyoung, very interesting indeed... how about heating elements like Silicon Carbide or Nicrome wires, they too last longer on AC?
I doubt it makes any difference in the case of heating elements. Compare the size of a tungsten filament used in an incandescent light bulb to that of the resistive element in a typical household electric heater. The surface temperature of the heating element would probably also be somewhat lower.

Panthera Leo said:
I haven't really figured out why is it that the Graphite heating elements are plugged in DC generally speaking...?! Is there any special reason?
I can't see any reason to prefer DC to AC for powering a graphite heating element. Do you have a reference I could take a look at?
 
I had only read one article sometime back on internet which had a supply of 50V 150Amps DC... but couldn't find anything else...

There are these AAS (Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy) devices which utilize Graphite Heating tubes, from manufacturers like Buck Scientific... I wonder what the specs of their transformers are... are those DC ?! searched a lot on net but unfortunately not a clue on how many amps/volts either :(
 

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