Can AI Truly Learn Independently Without Free Will?

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The discussion centers on the capabilities of artificial intelligence (AI) regarding independent learning and the concept of free will. Participants explore whether AI can learn autonomously and the implications of free will in both AI and human contexts, touching on philosophical and technical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that AI will never attain free will, suggesting that its operations are fundamentally binary and predetermined.
  • Others propose that AI could learn on its own, although they express uncertainty about whether this has been successfully achieved in practice.
  • One participant argues that the concept of free will is philosophically undecided, questioning the nature of decision-making in both humans and AI.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of determinism and randomness, referencing Heisenberg's uncertainty principle as a challenge to the notion of absolute predictability in physics.
  • Some contributions highlight the complexity of neural networks and their potential to mimic human-like decision-making, contrasting this with the binary nature of computer operations.
  • There are claims that while computers may appear to generate random outcomes, they are ultimately governed by underlying equations and probabilities, which challenges the idea of true randomness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of free will and the capabilities of AI. There is no consensus on whether AI can learn independently or if free will exists in either AI or humans.

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Some arguments rely on assumptions about the nature of randomness and determinism, as well as the definitions of free will. The discussion includes references to philosophical concepts that remain unresolved.

  • #31
Because the universe started at a single point, everything in the universe can be traced back to that point, and because everything is based on cause and effect nothing is really random. Everything is based on what happened since the universe started at that single point and all the interactions (based on cause and effect) since then, therefore everything is deterministic, but only the universe itself is a big enough computer to actually determine the future.
 
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  • #32
rogerperkins said:
Because the universe started at a single point, everything in the universe can be traced back to that point, and because everything is based on cause and effect nothing is really random. Everything is based on what happened since the universe started at that single point and all the interactions (based on cause and effect) since then, therefore everything is deterministic, but only the universe itself is a big enough computer to actually determine the future.

Unfortunately, you have probably never heard of quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, irreversibly etc.

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~ldb/seminar/laplace.html
 
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  • #33
moridin is right, but you may want to realize what you're discussing transcends disciplines.
m. already pointed out the scientific problems with your statement.

So, let's try this:

John Calvin's Predestination matches what you are discussing. He applied an early idea of a deterministic universe where God is your "computer" to discuss what became of people and their souls. This is more of a philosophical or theological approach to determinism than trying to use big bang theory to describe it.
 

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