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The discussion revolves around the search for examples of Lebesgue-integrable functions that meet specific criteria, particularly focusing on functions that are continuous on the interval [1,∞) and do not have a limit as x approaches infinity. Participants also explore related questions about Riemann-integrable functions and the properties of various proposed functions.

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  • One participant asks for a continuous function on [1,∞) that does not have a limit as x approaches infinity and is Lebesgue-integrable.
  • Another participant proposes a function defined piecewise, which is continuous and has a finite Lebesgue integral, but does not converge as x approaches infinity.
  • A participant suggests the possibility of finding a C^∞ function that meets the original criteria, expressing uncertainty about the existence of an analytic function that satisfies the conditions.
  • One participant critiques the proposed function involving isosceles triangles, noting potential overlaps and seeking clarification on the criteria mentioned by the original poster.
  • Another participant introduces a function involving exponential and sine terms, expressing uncertainty about its integrability and whether it is analytic.
  • A later reply suggests replacing the triangles in the initial solution with Gaussian functions, raising questions about the analyticity of the resulting function.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of functions that meet the specified criteria, with some proposing examples and others questioning their validity or suggesting alternative approaches. No consensus is reached on the existence of an analytic function that satisfies the original poster's criteria.

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Some proposed functions may have overlapping definitions or properties that are not fully resolved. The discussion includes speculative reasoning about the integrability and analyticity of various functions, with participants acknowledging the complexity of proving these properties.

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...satisfies the following conditions:

(1) Is continuous on [1,\infty), and

(2) Does not have a limit as x\to \infty.

Apparently, such a function f(x) exists, but I cannot think of an example for the life of me. Remember: The function must also satisfy

<br /> \int_1^\infty |f(x)|dx &lt; \infty,<br />

where "\int" is the Lebesgue integral.
 
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Can you think of a Riemann-integrable function f such that:
  • Max(f) = 1
  • Min(f) = 0
  • The integral over all of R is a (a is a previously chosen positive real number
 
Hurkyl said:
Can you think of a Riemann-integrable function f such that:
  • Max(f) = 1
  • Min(f) = 0
  • The integral over all of R is a (a is a previously chosen positive real number

Of course. How about

<br /> f(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> 1, &amp; x \in [0,a],\\<br /> 0, &amp; \text{otherwise}.<br /> \end{cases}<br />
 
On the line [1,\infty), at each integer point n, draw an isoceles of height 2^n and with base width 4^{-n}. Let the function be the curve of these isoceles when they occur, and 0 when they don't. This function is obviously continuous, and

\int^{\infty}_1 |f(x)| dx = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{2^{n}4^{-n}}{2}= \frac{1}{2}\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n} = \frac{1}{2}

However, the function has no limit as x \to \infty. As an extra bonus it is not even bounded.
 
Jarle, some of your triangles overlap, but the basic principle still works.

Is it possible to find a C^\infty function that satisfies the OP's criteria? Yes, I see it is possible after just writing that...

How about an analytic function that satisfies the criteria? For that, I'm not sure...
 
Ben Niehoff said:
Jarle, some of your triangles overlap...

I don't see why this is so. Can you give an example of two overlapping triangles?

Also, what do you mean by "OP's criteria?"
 
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Jarle said:
On the line [1,\infty), at each integer point n, draw an isoceles of height 2^n and with base width 4^{-n}. Let the function be the curve of these isoceles when they occur, and 0 when they don't. This function is obviously continuous, and

\int^{\infty}_1 |f(x)| dx = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{2^{n}4^{-n}}{2}= \frac{1}{2}\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n} = \frac{1}{2}

However, the function has no limit as x \to \infty. As an extra bonus it is not even bounded.

Perfect. I feel like a fool for not having thought of this myself. Thanks!
 
Ben Niehoff said:
How about an analytic function that satisfies the criteria? For that, I'm not sure...
I feel like this is one of those questions that is either "obviously yes" or "obviously no", but I don't know which. :biggrin:

My first inclination is a function like
f(x) = \exp\left(\frac{x}{2} \log( \sin(x)^2 ) \right)​
which, on R, simplifies to
|\sin x|^{x}​
or maybe replace x/2 with something even faster growing.


I haven't ground through the analysis to see if this actually has a finite integral.


However, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate[Exp[Exp[x]/2+Log[Sin[x]^2]],+x]


Is that analytic? Well, this one is more obviously so: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate[Exp[Exp[x]/2+Log[(1/2)+++(1/2)Sin[x]^2]],+x]
 
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Hurkyl said:
I feel like this is one of those questions that is either "obviously yes" or "obviously no", but I don't know which. :biggrin:

My first inclination is a function like
f(x) = \exp\left(\frac{x}{2} \log( \sin(x)^2 ) \right)​
which, on R, simplifies to
|\sin x|^{x}​
or maybe replace x/2 with something even faster growing.I haven't ground through the analysis to see if this actually has a finite integral.However, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate[Exp[Exp[x]/2+Log[Sin[x]^2]],+x]Is that analytic? Well, this one is more obviously so: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Integrate[Exp[Exp[x]/2+Log[(1/2)+++(1/2)Sin[x]^2]],+x]

How about replacing the triangles in the given solution to the original problem with Gaussians?

f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{2^n}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \exp\left[-\frac{(x-n)^2}{2\sigma_n^2}\right]
where \sigma_n = 4^{-n}?

It's possible this isn't analytic since we're summing an infinite number of terms, but it'd be the first thing I'd try (if I felt like trying to prove/disprove things like analyticity). (Of course, even if analyticity is proved doing the resulting integral wouldn't be too fun - at least on the [1,infinity) interval. (-infinity,infinity) wouldn't be so bad. ;))
 

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