Can Anyone Help Prove My Existence?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of proving one's own existence, prompted by a forum member's assignment from a philosophy teacher. Participants explore various philosophical perspectives, concepts, and arguments related to existence, drawing on historical figures and theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that proving existence is fundamentally impossible, citing the burden of proof and the vagueness of the concept of 'I'.
  • Others reference Descartes' famous assertion "I think, therefore I am," suggesting that the act of thinking implies existence, though this is debated as potentially tautological.
  • A participant suggests that axioms are necessary for any proof, questioning the consistency of the world and the definitions of existence.
  • Some propose that evidence of existence can be provided through visibility or photographic proof, but emphasize that this does not constitute a definitive proof.
  • There are humorous suggestions about how to approach the assignment, including handing in a blank sheet of paper or writing one's name as proof of existence.
  • One participant notes that while one cannot prove existence to others, self-awareness of one's own existence is more straightforward.
  • Another participant mentions that thinking is a self-reflective process, which could imply that something exists that is capable of thinking.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of axioms in mathematics and philosophy, with a focus on their role in establishing self-evident truths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on how to prove existence. Some agree that proving existence is not feasible, while others explore different angles and implications of the question.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining existence and the potential inconsistencies in philosophical arguments. The discussion highlights the subjective nature of axioms and self-evident truths in philosophical discourse.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying philosophy, particularly in areas related to existentialism, epistemology, and the foundations of knowledge.

  • #121
If I didn't exist, none of you would either.

I am aware of thinking, therefore I think.

I think, therefore I think

I exist, therefore I exist

I don't exist, therefore I might have existed before... or, you're making me up in your head

I drink, therefore I am.

Drink, don't think

des Baywaxes
 
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  • #122
OneCelled Brain said:
So ya...my philosophy teacher assigned me to write an essay proving that I exist. Being fairly new to philosophy I've got no idea how to go on about proving that I exist, which sounds pretty weird. I've been around the philosophy section of this site a few time and I got to say some of you guys have given me more to think about then any other human being I've ever known in my life. I think there are some great minds here. To get to the point, I need help on how to prove I exist, I haven't thought this much about my existence since the last time I saw The Matrix while high.:smile: So can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

-The One Celled Brain
Just don't do anything at all! When he asks you for essay you simply tell him: You already have my proof. If he asks you how/when/where simply say to him: It is YOU who proved my existence by asking me to prove it, therefore I don't have to do anything, thanks! :)
 
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  • #123
lol, But i don't think that the answer that was just given is going to be enough to get a passing grade
 
  • #124
Didn't take but about 3 Fs before I realized the Philosophy professors were Professional bull throwers. They had taken the art of bullshifting to another dimension.
 
  • #125
This is how I see existence and recognition of my existence from others...rightly or wrongly. It is up to you to determine for yourself : I can't prove that I exist to anyone who cannot prove that they exist to me. I cannot believe what I perceive as truth unless I want to. I cannot trust my own perceptions because there is no solid foundation for these perceptions. Proof requires tangible non changing evidence of existence both ways and now we are in the realm of doubt. EX A man sees the light reflected from your body so he concludes that you exist and likewise you see the light from his body. Thats fair. But it isn't him you see, it is just the light reflected from his body. He punches you and you yell in pain but the pain is a signal that does not last or stay the same(it moves up and down then ceases) so it does not exist. What is pain? Your yell does not last or stay the same so it does not exist either. It is tiny wavelets or vibrations in the air changing. His punch against your flesh sends a non solid signal to his brain that he has hit you but this signal is not solid nor static. If existence is being present(solidly here meaning no change) then there is no place for change in the definition of existence. There is no existence in that sense to my way of thinking. All the above could be utter BS and there are invisible elephants and elms with golden treasures in the forests.
 
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  • #126
you can only prove you yourself exist but cannot prove anyone else exists.
 
  • #127
I can prove my body exists. This proof is good for you, but not good for me, because I admit my body may be my illusion.

I can prove my personality exists. This proof is good for me, but not good for you, because you may admit I am a bio robot.
 
  • #128
I am therefore I am. Good enough for me. Proving it? If I stomped on your foot would that work? I think that would do it.
 
  • #129
This thread is going in circles.

Time to say good night.
 

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