Can Artificial Photosynthesis be a Fossil Fuel Alternative?

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The discussion revolves around the potential of artificial photosynthesis as an alternative to fossil fuels, exploring its feasibility, efficiency, and possible applications in vehicles. Participants also touch on the efficiency of current solar panels and the complexities of natural photosynthesis cycles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that achieving artificial photosynthesis could potentially replace fossil fuels entirely and serve as an effective engine for vehicles.
  • Others inquire about alternative energy sources or more efficient photosynthesis cycles, noting the complexity of the Calvin cycle and its photon requirements.
  • A participant questions the efficiency of current solar panels compared to photosynthesis, suggesting uncertainty about whether photosynthesis could outperform solar energy conversion.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of natural photosynthesis, with conflicting claims about its maximum efficiency, which some state is around 6%.
  • Several participants express interest in improving solar panel efficiency, with one noting that achieving low cost and reliability complicates the process.
  • One participant provides calculations comparing the energy output of switchgrass as a biofuel to gasoline, highlighting its potential use in electricity generation rather than direct combustion in vehicles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the efficiency of photosynthesis versus solar panels, nor on the viability of artificial photosynthesis as a fossil fuel alternative. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the efficiency of photosynthesis and solar energy technologies, with some limitations noted regarding the complexity of natural processes and the conditions under which different energy sources perform best.

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If we can achieve artificial photosynthesis, might it replace fossil fuels once and for all? Can it also be an effective engine in vehicles?
 
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Do you have any suggestions for a new energy source or a new photosynthesis cycle? The Calvin photosynthesis cycle is very complex, and requires ~ 24 photons to make a single C6H12O6 (energy of oxydation ~ 29 eV), but we don't know any more efficient cycle (except C4).
Bob S
 
Is there something wrong with our current solar panels? Is there any reason to think that photosynthesis would be more efficient in converting solar flux to energy?
 
I read somewhere that photosynthesis is very efficient.

Now, I'm seeing sources that say it's very inefficient. Around 6% at maximum.

If that's the case, then I don't see solar panels getting replaced anytime soon...
 
Is there a way to make solar panels more efficient?
 
T.O.E Dream said:
Is there a way to make solar panels more efficient?
Yes lots of ways. if you also want them to be cheap, reliable, long lasting, manufacturable , easy to install and maintain as well then it gets a bit trickier
 
T.O.E Dream said:
If we can achieve artificial photosynthesis, might it replace fossil fuels once and for all? Can it also be an effective engine in vehicles?
I have also calculated ~6% for combustible biofuels such as miscanthus or switchgrass (C4 photosynthesis). C4 crops are more efficient combustion biofuels than Calvin cycle crops, except at higher latitudes. They also release CO2 and other pollutants back into the environment when combusted.
Switchgrass releases about 7500 Btu heat energy per pound when burned. This is equivalent to about 7.9 megajoules per pound, compared to 120 megajoules per gallon for gasoline. So anyone using switchgrass in an automobile with a 20 mpg rating would have to put ~ 1 pound of switchgrass into the firebox per mile while driving. Switchgrass might be better used at a public electricity utility; 1 pound of switchgrass could generate about 0.7 kilowatt-hours of electricity for electric vehicle battery charging.
Bob S
 

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