Can Asymmetric Wave Functions Arise from Symmetric Potentials?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of wave functions in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of the Schrödinger equation and symmetric potentials. The original poster explores whether asymmetric wave functions can arise from symmetric potentials, particularly focusing on a delta function potential.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of having both odd and even solutions in relation to symmetric potentials and questions the nature of boundary conditions versus matching conditions.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the boundary conditions applied by the original poster and suggest that continuity conditions should be considered instead.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of having multiple wave functions within a region and the conditions under which these functions might be valid solutions to the Schrödinger equation.
  • Questions are raised about the meaning of trivial solutions and the uniqueness of the wave function determined by boundary conditions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing clarifications about boundary conditions and the nature of wave functions in symmetric potentials. There is an exploration of the parity operator and its implications for the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian, though no consensus has been reached on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is framed within the constraints of quantum mechanics and the specific potential function being analyzed. There is an acknowledgment of potential typos and misunderstandings in the original poster's formulation of the problem, which may affect the interpretation of the wave functions.

PhysicsKid0123
Messages
95
Reaction score
1
Missing template due to originally being posted in different forum.
Can the general solution to the Schrödinger equation be asymmetric (has neither even or odd solutions)?

Question (1): I saw somewhere that you cannot have a solution that is both-- it must be either odd or even, and I was wondering: why?

I was working on a problem where the potential function is a delta function of the form

Eq. (1) V(x) = C[d(x-L) + d(x+L)]

and V(x) = 0 otherwise

where "C" denotes a constant and "d" is the Dirac delta function, d(x-L) = infinity at x= L and d(x-L) = 0 when x is not equal to L and similarly for d(x+L). I'll not that the potential function is "even" or symmetric about x = 0. The most general solution is of the form Psi(x) = A sin(k*x) + B cos (k*x) for -L < x < L and | x | > | L |, where k^2 = 2mE/(h_bar)^2. However, the way I approached this problem was to assign different coefficients to the general solution according to which region it was in.

For example, for the region x < -L, the coefficients were as above:
Eq. (2) Psi(x) = A sin(k*x) + B cos (k*x)

For the region -L < x < L, the coefficients were C for sin and D for the cos, or
Eq. (3) Psi(x) = C sin(k*x) + D sin(k*x).

For x > L, the coefficients were E for sin and F for cos or
Eq. (4) Psi(x) = E sin(k*x) + F sin(k*x).

Now when I solved for the boundary conditions, Psi(-L)=0=Psi(+L), using the Psi in the middle region, I got different coefficients and thus two solutions of Psi(x) for the region inside. Namely,

Psi(x= -L) = 0 ---> D = C tan(k*L)
and
Psi(x= +L) = 0 ---> D = -C tan(k*L)

Substituting these into Psi or Eq. (3) to put it in terms of one coefficient implies that we have two Psi(x)'s:

Eq. (5) Psi(x) = C sin(k*x)+ C tan(k*L)*cos(k*x)

and

Eq. (6) Psi(x) = C sin(k*x) - C tan(k*L)*cos(k*x)

Now this is where I get confused.
Question (2): What does it mean two have two Psi's within one region like this?

Question (3): Should I solve the other side of the boundary conditions for each of these equation, namely Eqs (5) and (6)? For example, at the left Psi(x= -L) = Psi(x= -L) on the right or equivalently Eq (2) = Eq (5), and for the other one, Eq (2) = Eq (6). Repeat this for both when Psi(x=+L)=Psi(x=+L)?

Question (4): When I plug in Eq. (5) into the Schrödinger equation, it is NOT a solution UNLESS: x = -L, k = 1, or equivalently E = (1/2m)*(hbar)^2.

For Eq. (6), I get (1+k) = 0 = (1-k) or k = - k for it to satisfy the Schrödinger equation. This implies k = 0 which implies E = 0. What does all this mean?


What I did next to try and find some insights was to set Eq. (5) and Eq. (6) equal to each other. Which seems quite reasonable to do because there should only be one general solution or one only "general" Psi since it is uniquely determined by the boundary conditions, right? Well when I did this, Eq(5)= Psi(x)= Psi(x)= Eq(6), I found that they are equivalent only when C = -C which implies that C = 0, OR when k*x = (pi/2) + n*pi for n = 0,1,2,...

Question (5): IF C=0, then that implies that no wave function exists in the region -L<x<L. What does this mean then? I took this to be a trivial solution, but if it is, then what's left? What is happening in this middle region and why can't I find a solution after using the boundary conditions to determine the coefficients? Before the coefficients are found, the general solution is a solution, but after it is not?

This problem really intrigues me and any insight would help. I'm sure I may be missing some kind of understanding. Again, it isn't entirely clear why must we have either even or odd solutions.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
PhysicsKid0123 said:
Question (1): I saw somewhere that you cannot have a solution that is both-- it must be either odd or even, and I was wondering: why?
This is only true if the potential is symmetric. Then you can show that the eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian are eigenstates of the parity operator with eigenvalues ±1.

PhysicsKid0123 said:
Now when I solved for the boundary conditions, Psi(-L)=0=Psi(+L)
These are not the correct boundary conditions. In fact, your problem does not have boundaries. What you need are matching conditions at x=L and x = - L.
You may also want to rethink if there is really a k^2 in your trigonometric functions.
 
Orodruin said:
This is only true if the potential is symmetric. Then you can show that the eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian are eigenstates of the parity operator with eigenvalues ±1.These are not the correct boundary conditions. In fact, your problem does not have boundaries. What you need are matching conditions at x=L and x = - L.
You may also want to rethink if there is really a k^2 in your trigonometric functions.

Yes, that's right. Not boundary conditions, but continuity conditions. I've also fixed the the k^2 typo. I suspect there may be more typos and I might have to rework the problem to make sure I've stated everything correctly. So I didn't understand the parity operator part of your response, but just to be clear, you can only have either even functions or odd functions, but not both for a symmetric potential, correct?
 
No, you can have both. It is just that all energy eigenstates will be either odd or even.
 

Similar threads

Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
4K
Replies
7
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
5K