Can atoms absorb photons with energy higher than transition energy?

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The discussion centers on whether atoms can absorb photons with energy exceeding the energy difference between two specific energy levels. It explores the implications of this scenario in both free space and within a solid medium, considering the nature of energy absorption and re-emission.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where an atom can absorb a photon if its energy matches the transition energy between two levels, defined as ##\hbar \omega_0##.
  • Another participant suggests that if the photon energy exceeds the transition energy by a small amount ##\epsilon##, the atom cannot absorb the photon in free space.
  • It is noted that in a solid, the atom might absorb the photon if there are additional degrees of freedom (like vibrational modes) that can accommodate the excess energy ##\epsilon##.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of the excess energy being re-emitted as a new photon if the atom is in a solid with the appropriate energy spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that an atom cannot absorb a photon with energy greater than the transition energy when in free space. However, there is disagreement regarding the conditions under which absorption might occur in a solid, indicating multiple competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the environment (free space vs. solid) and the quantization of additional degrees of freedom, which may affect the absorption and re-emission of energy.

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Can atoms absorb photons with energy higher than transition energy?
Suppose a atom has two energy levels ##\hbar \omega _ a##, and ##\hbar \omega _b##, and let ##\hbar \omega _0 =\hbar \omega _b -\hbar \omega _a ##. Also, there is a phton with enerigy of ##\hbar \omega##.

If ##\hbar \omega =\hbar \omega _0##, then a atom in level ##\hbar \omega _ a## can absorb this photon and jump into level ##\hbar \omega _b##.

What if ##\hbar \omega =\hbar \omega _0 + \epsilon##, where ##\epsilon \gt 0## ? Where would the additional energy ##\epsilon## be?

Would it become part of the energy of the atom which has just absorbed the photon, or would it become a new photon with energy ##\hbar \omega '= \epsilon##?
 
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Haorong Wu said:
What if ##\hbar \omega =\hbar \omega _0 + \epsilon##, where ##\epsilon \gt 0## ?

Then the atom cannot absorb the photon. At least, that's the case for an atom alone in free space.

If the atom is inside a solid, then it might be able to absorb the photon, if there are vibration modes of the solid or other degrees of freedom that can take the extra energy ##\epsilon##. Note that these degrees of freedom will be quantized as well, so this will only work for particular values of ##\epsilon##, not all values.
 
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Haorong Wu said:
would it become a new photon with energy ##\hbar \omega '= \epsilon##?

Not for an atom alone in free space, since the atom can't absorb the photon in the first place.

For an atom in a solid, if there are extra degrees of freedom available with the right energy spectrum, then the extra energy ##\epsilon## that got absorbed into those extra degrees of freedom could be re-emitted as another photon, yes.
 
PeterDonis said:
Not for an atom alone in free space, since the atom can't absorb the photon in the first place.

For an atom in a solid, if there are extra degrees of freedom available with the right energy spectrum, then the extra energy ##\epsilon## that got absorbed into those extra degrees of freedom could be re-emitted as another photon, yes.

Thanks, PeterDonis. Great answers!
 

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