Can Being Odorless Lead to a Longer Life?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between body odor, bacteria, and longevity. Participants explore whether being odorless correlates with a longer life, considering the role of bacteria on the skin and their potential effects on health and life force.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that odorless individuals may live longer than those with body odor, suggesting that bacteria could drain life force from the body.
  • Others argue that bacteria on the skin are beneficial and that excessive cleanliness, such as using antibacterial products, may be unhealthy.
  • A participant mentions that married men tend to live longer than unmarried men, introducing a different perspective on factors influencing longevity.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of handwashing, with some claiming that washing can lead to an increase in bacterial colonies due to pore opening.
  • One participant shares an experience with a hospital test that used a jelly substance to highlight bacteria on hands, questioning the validity of the test results.
  • Another participant suggests that the jelly used in the test may have been responsible for the glowing effect rather than the bacteria itself.
  • There is a mention of the potential for certain bacteria to be phosphorescent, but skepticism remains about the test's reliability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between odor, bacteria, and health. There is no consensus on whether being odorless leads to a longer life, and the effectiveness of handwashing remains debated.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the benefits of bacteria and the effects of cleanliness depend on specific definitions and assumptions about health and hygiene practices. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the validity of certain tests related to bacteria on the skin.

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I know the smell is produced by bacteria, but will an odour less person live longer than a smelly one? the bacteria must rob some of the life force from a body?
 
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Bacteria on your skin are good for you.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no2/larson.htm

Includes the advice that surgeons shouldn't shower before entering an operating theatre because it leaves clouds of bad bacteria around their body
 
wolram said:
I know the smell is produced by bacteria, but will an odour less person live longer than a smelly one? the bacteria must rob some of the life force from a body?

Another key question concerning life, universe and everything? Although bacteria may drain the bowl of life force (or mana), I doubt that non-stinky persons are free of bacteria.
 
wolram said:
I know the smell is produced by bacteria, but will an odour less person live longer than a smelly one? the bacteria must rob some of the life force from a body?

Yes. Married men live longer than unmarried men.

Actually, it depends. To a certain extent, cleanliness means less illness. Taken to the extreme, as in all the antibacterial stuff people buy for their houses nowadays, it becomes a little unhealthy, as in mgb_phy's post. (although I'm not sure about the surgeon, since presumably, he scrubs in a fairly sterile environment right before entering the operating room - there shouldn't be a lot of bacteria to replace what he's scrubbed off).
 
BobG said:
(although I'm not sure about the surgeon, since presumably, he scrubs in a fairly sterile environment right before entering the operating room - there shouldn't be a lot of bacteria to replace what he's scrubbed off).
You've never done the test? Make a bacterial culture of your finger before and after washing your hands. After washing your hands with water and soap usually results in a higher amount of bacterial colonies, due to the opening of your pores. Surgeons use anti-bacterial substances to sterilize their hands during washing.

I don't recommend using anti-bacterial substances in everyday live, as the bacteria living on your skin in normal circumstances are non-pathogenic and can actually be beneficial.
 
Monique said:
You've never done the test? Make a bacterial culture of your finger before and after washing your hands.

I thought normal people don't do this kind of stuff but now could you tell us the proper way of cultivating bacteria?

Monique said:
After washing your hands with water and soap usually results in a higher amount of bacterial colonies, due to the opening of your pores.

So what is the benefit of washing hands?
 
Monique said:
You've never done the test? Make a bacterial culture of your finger before and after washing your hands. After washing your hands with water and soap usually results in a higher amount of bacterial colonies, due to the opening of your pores. Surgeons use anti-bacterial substances to sterilize their hands during washing.

I don't recommend using anti-bacterial substances in everyday live, as the bacteria living on your skin in normal circumstances are non-pathogenic and can actually be beneficial.

I did a test when i went to hospital, there were 2 nurses with a little stand in the lobby.
If i remember correctly, they gave me some jelly substance to rub on my hands, then they used a light to show the Bactria up, then they told me to go wash my hands which i did, (very thoroughly), they repeated the test and my hands were still lit up all over, so i had a lecture in hand washing, i walked away thinking that test was a load of cobblers, i work in the food industry, and we are shown how to wash our hands, there are even spot checks in the high care areas.
 
misgfool said:
I thought normal people don't do this kind of stuff but now could you tell us the proper way of cultivating bacteria?
I think this one of the first experiments you do when you take a microbiology class. You could try it at home by mixing gelatin with a bouillon cube, heat it to sterilize the solution, let it cool and make thumb imprints. Here is a recipe: http://www.Newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00472.htm The bacteria will like to grow at 37oC, but you can also leave it at room temperature (in which case it will take two days for colonies to appear).

So what is the benefit of washing hands?
To wash off harmful bacteria that you picked up during the day (and other nasty stuff), the bacteria living in your pores are part of your natural flora.
 
wolram said:
I did a test when i went to hospital, there were 2 nurses with a little stand in the lobby.
If i remember correctly, they gave me some jelly substance to rub on my hands, then they used a light to show the Bactria up, then they told me to go wash my hands which i did, (very thoroughly), they repeated the test and my hands were still lit up all over, so i had a lecture in hand washing, i walked away thinking that test was a load of cobblers, i work in the food industry, and we are shown how to wash our hands, there are even spot checks in the high care areas.
I don't think it was the bacteria that lighting up, but rather the jelly that you rubbed on your hands (I've never heard of such a test).
 
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Monique said:
I don't think it was the bacteria that lighting up, but rather the jelly that you rubbed on your hands (I've never heard of such a test).

In my experience, black lights can cause both a compound in urine (possibly the urea molecule) and compounds in soaps to light up. Some bateria may light up (be phosphorescent)... but I agree that the jelly might be the cause... it may be even harder to remove than ordinary bacteria. (Reminds me of back in the days when our dentist gave us red pellets to chew to show us how poorly we brushed our teeth!)

A long time ago, when I added a pet to my lease, the landlord can to inspect the carpet (pre-pet) with a black light. There was a big spot in from of my washer (where I'd spilled some detergent) that lit up like a rocket even though I'd tried to clean it our well, and there were some spots in the spare bedroom (where the prior tenants had kept a puppy... glad I picked that as the spare room, not my main room!) He never inspected it post-pet (although cha-cha's always been good :!) )... since there was a flood due to a clog, and he was going to have to replace most of the carpet anyways.
 
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Monique said:
I don't think it was the bacteria that lighting up, but rather the jelly that you rubbed on your hands (I've never heard of such a test).


You most likely are right, it was a long time ago.
 

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