Can De Moivre's Theorem Simplify Solving Complex Polynomial Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the application of De Moivre's Theorem in solving a specific rational function involving a polynomial equation. Participants explore the nature of the equation, its classification, and potential methods for finding solutions, including numerical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a rational function and queries the applicability of De Moivre's Theorem for solving it.
  • Another participant clarifies that the function is not a polynomial but a rational function, noting that both the numerator and denominator are fifth-degree polynomials.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of solving for r algebraically, with suggestions that numerical methods may be necessary.
  • A participant outlines special cases based on the values of a and P, indicating that certain conditions lead to no solutions, infinitely many solutions, or a reduction in the degree of the polynomial.
  • It is mentioned that for most values of a, solving the quintic analytically is not feasible, but the case where P = 0 is noted as trivial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of De Moivre's Theorem and the nature of the function, with some agreeing on the classification as a rational function while others question the feasibility of algebraic solutions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific values of a and P, which affect the solvability of the equation. The discussion does not resolve the applicability of De Moivre's Theorem or the methods for solving the equation.

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I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?
 
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iScience said:
I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?
First off, that's not a polynomial, which generally looks like this: ##a_nx^n + a_{n - 1}x^{n - 1} + \dots + a_2x^2 + a_1x + a_0##.
Your function is a rational function, the quotient of two polynomials. In your case, both the numerator and denominator are fifth-degree polynomials.

Regarding your question, I don't think it's possible to solve algebraically for r in the equation you posted, although you can possibly find an approximate solution using some numerical technique.

I don't see how de Moivre's Theorem is even applicable here...
 
iScience said:
I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?

There are special cases to consider.

If a = 1 and P \neq 1 there are no solutions. If a =1 and P = 1 there are infinitely many solutions.

If a \in \{2,3,4,5\} then linear factors can be canceled from numerator and denominator. This reduces the problem to solving a polynomial which is of no higher degree than 4; this can always be done analytically.

For all other values of a you will have to solve a quintic, and in general it is not possible to solve quintics analytically. But the case P = 0 is trivial, as your quintic is then already factored.
 
Is there a numerical method to solve something like this?
 

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