Can Degenerate States be Expressed as a Linear Combination of Orthogonal States?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of electron states in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on whether degenerate states can be expressed as linear combinations of orthogonal states. The original poster questions the orthonormality of electron states, particularly in the context of degenerate states corresponding to the same energy level.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between degenerate states and their orthonormality, with the original poster attempting to express a specific state as a linear combination of other states. Some participants question the validity of this approach and seek a general proof regarding the orthonormality of degenerate states.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the nature of eigenstates and their properties. There is a focus on understanding the proof of orthonormality rather than reaching a consensus on a solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of using bra-ket notation and the role of hermitian operators in defining the states, while also noting the constraints of the problem regarding the specific states mentioned.

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Homework Statement



Are all electronis states orthonormal?
I mean the degenerate states ie [n,l,m>states corresponding to same energy
for example can one write
[2,0,0>=a[2,1,-1>+b[2,1,0>+c[2,1,+1>

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for example can one write
[2,0,0>=a[2,1,-1>+b[2,1,0>+c[2,1,+1>?
 
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[tex]<n',l',m'|n,l,m>=\delta_{n'n}\delta_{l'l}\delta_{m'm}[/tex]

So you cannot write |2,0,0> as a superposition of the three l=1 states.
 
borgwal said:
[tex]<n',l',m'|n,l,m>=\delta_{n'n}\delta_{l'l}\delta_{m'm}[/tex]

So you cannot write |2,0,0> as a superposition of the three l=1 states.

Fine but how do you go about the proof?

forget about in the wavemechanics
just a general proof in bra-ket notation,showing that degenerate states are orthonormal.
 
They are eigenstates of hermitian operators (namely, angular momentum) with different eigenvalues.
 

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