Electrons and their quantum numbers for the oxygen atom

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The discussion revolves around determining the electronic configuration and quantum numbers for the oxygen atom. Participants explore the implications of quantum mechanics principles on electron arrangement, particularly in the context of the 2p shell.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to write the electronic configuration and identify quantum numbers for each electron, particularly focusing on the 2p shell. Questions arise regarding the correct assignment of quantum numbers, especially under the influence of external magnetic fields and the application of Hund's rule versus the Aufbau principle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide guidance on the principles governing electron configurations, while others express uncertainty about the implications of these principles in specific scenarios. There is no explicit consensus on the correct quantum numbers for the electrons in the 2p shell.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of determining energy levels and the effects of magnetic fields on electron configurations. There are references to established principles such as the Pauli exclusion principle and Hund's rule, but also a recognition of the challenges in applying these rules consistently in the context of the oxygen atom.

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Homework Statement


Write down the electonic configuration for the O atom. Write down the quantum numbers (n,l,m_l,m_s) for each one of the electrons.


Homework Equations


Pauli exclusion principle. Least energy principle for filling the shells.


The Attempt at a Solution


1s^22s^22p^4.
I have trouble for the electrons on the 2p shell.
The quantum numbers of the electrons are:
(1,0,0,1/2)
(1,0,0,-1/2)
(2,0,0,1/2)
(2,0,0,-1/2)
Here I am not sure:
(2,1,0,1/2)
(2,1,0,-1/2)
And 2 more electrons but I really don't know which quantum numbers to choose. They all have the same energy (degenerated). An external magnetic field would solve some degeneracy (the m_l one, not the m_s one).
So...
(2,1,\pm 1 , \pm 1/2) and (2,1,0 , \pm 1/2) are all possible for the 4 electrons.
However if I apply an external magnetic field, I can discard m_l=1, right?
 
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The energy levels for a given l are filled with one electron on each m first. The oxygen atom is known to have two unpaired outer electrons with equal spins.

What are the three rules for filling atomic orbitals by electrons?


Answer:

Aufbau principle- build from the bottom up, and fill lowest energy levels first

Pauli exclusion principle- each orbital may have only two electrons, with opposite spins

Hund's rule- each orbital of a level must each have one electron before any have two

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_...ng_atomic_orbitals_by_electrons#ixzz1f4c6ZDhx


ehild
 
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ehild said:
The energy levels for a given l are filled with one electron on each m first. The oxygen atom is known to have two unpaired outer electrons with equal spins.



http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_...ng_atomic_orbitals_by_electrons#ixzz1f4c6ZDhx


ehild

Thank you ehild.
So it means that I have the choice? For example here are my arbitrary choice for the quantum numbers for the 4 electrons on the 2p shell:
1----(2,1,0,-1/2)
2----(2,1,-1,-/1/2)
3----(2,1,1,-1/2)
4----(2,1,0,1/2).
The 2 unpaired electrons are 2 and 3.
However if I apply an external magnetic field the answer would change since I have to apply Aufbau principle, i.e. "fill lowest energy levels first". And in reality I think there's always an external magnetic field (as tiny as it may be) and so it seems that the paired 2p electrons must have their m_l quantum number equal to -1.
So I'm tempted to choose:
1----(2,1,0,-1/2)
2----(2,1,-1,-/1/2)
3----(2,1,-1,1/2)
4----(2,1,0,1/2).
But I have a problem here. Aubfau principle seems to be in contradiction with Hund's rule. One electron should have the m_l=1 quantum number according to Hund's rule, while if I do this, I'd give it more energy than if it had m_l=0, so I go in counter of Aubfau principle.
So I'm unsure how to answer the problem.
 
The second configuration is not correct for the free oxygen atom. Do not forget that there is magnetic momentum assigned to spin, too. Two electrons on the same level (with the same m) and only the spins opposite repel each other more than attract because of their opposite spins, and a weak magnetic field does not change it. The effect of the magnetic field appears in the spins of the electrons occupying the m=1 and m=-1 levels.

I know the electron configuration of oxygen from Chemistry. It has two
electrons with paired spins - with m=0, and two unpaired electrons
which take part in covalent bonds -paired with a lone electron of an other atom.
See this: http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Inorganic_Chemistry/Electronic_Configurations#Hund's_Rule

ehild
 
ehild said:
The second configuration is not correct for the free oxygen atom. Do not forget that there is magnetic momentum assigned to spin, too. Two electrons on the same level (with the same m) and only the spins opposite repel each other more than attract because of their opposite spins, and a weak magnetic field does not change it. The effect of the magnetic field appears in the spins of the electrons occupying the m=1 and m=-1 levels.

I know the electron configuration of oxygen from Chemistry. It has two
electrons with paired spins - with m=0, and two unpaired electrons
which take part in covalent bonds -paired with a lone electron of an other atom.
See this: http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Inorganic_Chemistry/Electronic_Configurations#Hund's_Rule

ehild
Ok thank you.
I've read the link you provided, but I don't know where it's written that the 2 paired electrons of the 2p shell have their quantum numbers m_l=0.
Also in the link we can see that all lone electrons have their spin always up. Is it a convention or it must be this way, always? (didn't find the part that explain this). If it must always be like this, this would also invalidate my first choice in my last post, namely:
1----(2,1,0,-1/2)
2----(2,1,-1,-/1/2)
3----(2,1,1,-1/2)
4----(2,1,0,1/2).
Because the unpaired electrons 2 and 3 have their spin down.
 
fluidistic said:
Ok thank you.
I've read the link you provided, but I don't know where it's written that the 2 paired electrons of the 2p shell have their quantum numbers m_l=0.

I do not know. To find the energy belonging to a configuration is not that simple. In weak magnetic fields the spin is coupled to the the orbital momentum, and their resultant determines the magnetic potential energy. I do not know enough about this field.

ehild
 
Ok thank you for all the information.
 

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