Can Every Object Be Split Into 3 Equal Parts?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether every object can be split into three equal parts, exploring both mathematical and physical perspectives. Participants examine specific scenarios involving rulers of different lengths and consider implications of measurement accuracy and numerical systems.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a 60 cm ruler can be split into three equal parts because its length is divisible by 3, while a 100 cm ruler cannot be split evenly due to its prime factorization lacking a factor of 3.
  • Another participant argues that dividing a line into equal segments does not require exact measurements, proposing methods to copy lengths instead.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the physical markings on a ruler do not affect the inherent ability to divide the object, suggesting that the division is independent of numerical representation.
  • One participant challenges the notion of splitting the 60 cm ruler, stating that measurement always involves uncertainty and questioning the possibility of exact division if space were quantized.
  • Another participant raises the idea of changing measurement scales, questioning whether the ability to split the ruler into three equal parts would change if the ruler's length were represented differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability to split objects into equal parts, with no consensus reached. Some argue for the mathematical basis of divisibility, while others emphasize the physical and measurement limitations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about measurement accuracy, the nature of physical properties, and the implications of quantized space on division. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Sorry for the very vague title but my brother and I had a long chat the other day and we could not come to a conclusion.

Our question was, can every object be split into 3 equal parts?

Scenario 1: If you split a 60cm ruler into 3 20cm parts you would say that yes the object is in 3 completely equal parts.

Scenario 2: Now when you try to split a 100cm ruler into 3 parts it doesn't seem possible, no matter how accurate you measure it, one part will always measure longer than the other 2 parts.

Now the question is can every physical property be split into 3 equal parts or is maths misleading us.

We imagined changing the scale of the maths involved, i.e. calling the 100cm ruler 60(whatever units), now the ruler is still the same size but maths now tells us that it can be split into 3 equal parts, but how can this be?

I know that I am talking ridiculously small distances and accurate measuring beyond imagination, but the picture in my head that all the pieces line up against the (whatever scale) and that one of the pieces is always bigger against the cm scale is really confusing! Its the same piece

So what are your opinions, are we missing something simple?
 
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You are able to split 60 cm equally because factoring 60 gives you 60=2x2x3x5, and dividing by 3 cancels out, leaving multiple of 2x2x5=20 as your answer, that is, pretty, whole number. If you try the same with 100 you have 100=2x2x5x5 dived by 3. Because your prime factorization of 100 clearly has no factor of 3 in it, the division of it by number 3 will not produce whole number as quotient. So youll end up with a repeating decimal, going forever, that is, 33.333... In a number system where base has a factor of 3 too, that would not be the case.
 
bmcgann said:
Scenario 1: If you split a 60cm ruler into 3 20cm parts you would say that yes the object is in 3 completely equal parts.

Scenario 2: Now when you try to split a 100cm ruler into 3 parts it doesn't seem possible, no matter how accurate you measure it, one part will always measure longer than the other 2 parts.
The fact that one stick has markings on it that you can assign numbers to and that you can then divide those numbers without a remainder has no effect on whether either physical object can be divided into smaller pieces.

You could take either one of those rulers and erase the markings and redraw them so that the metre long stick has markings divisible by 3 and the 60cm one does not - and it will not make a whit of difference.
 
I agree with Dave. In fact, I don't even think you are able to split the stick of 60cm in three! You could argue: I split the stick at 20cm and 40cm. But how do you measure 20cm? You can never do it exactly! You always have a degree of uncertainty.

In fact, if space were quantized, then you would never be able to split it exactly!

Also, (as Dave noticed): what if I had another measuring scale where the stick of 60cm now measures 100 units. Could you then split the stick?
 

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