Can Helium-Filled Surgical Hose Stand Vertically?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a helium-filled surgical hose standing vertically. Participants explore the implications of buoyancy, weight, and material properties, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a helium-filled surgical hose would stand vertically, suggesting that the thickness of the hose might offset the buoyancy of the helium.
  • Another participant proposes a mathematical approach to determine if the hose would float or stand, emphasizing the need to compare the weight of the hose filled with helium to the weight of the same volume of air.
  • A question is raised about the distinction between "slightly" and "considerably" heavier, with an example involving a helium balloon to illustrate the concept of buoyancy.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the balloon's behavior, noting that the string acts as a regulator, which is not applicable to the surgical hose, leading to concerns about its ability to maintain a vertical position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the buoyancy and stability of the helium-filled surgical hose, with no consensus reached on whether it would stand vertically or how long it would remain in that position.

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Participants highlight the importance of specific measurements, such as the weight of the hose and the volume of helium, but do not provide definitive calculations or assumptions that would clarify the situation further.

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If I filled a 4-5 foot piece of surgical hose with helium, would it stand vertically? How long would it remain assuming both ends were sealed? Would some other flexible material work better? A balloon on a string would not work for my purpose. Thank You
 
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I doubt it, since surgical hose has a rather thick wall. The weight of the hose would probably offset the buoyancy of the helium.
 
Well, you can just do the maths and discover by yourself. You just need to know how much the hose weights, and its volume(total and internal, although just internal will do). Then just calculate how much the hose filled with helium weights, and how much the same volume or air weights. If the hose weights less, it'll float, if it weights just slightly more it's very likely stand up, if it weights considerably more it'll just remain on the ground.
 
Munfred said:
if it weights just slightly more

if it weights considerably more

Where is the border between slightly and considerably?
 
Borek said:
Where is the border between slightly and considerably?
Well now that's quite a good question, but 'slightly' would be like when you have your helium balloon with the string on it and it floats with some string on the ground. in this case the balloon + string weights is just slightly more than the same volume in air. If it simply can't get off the ground then it weights considerably more. :rolleyes:
 
With the balloon, the string acts as a regulator. The balloon rises until it's weight plus the amount of string not resting on the ground equals the weight of air being displaced.

If the balloon rises higher, more string weight is added and it sinks back. If it sinks too low, it has less weight from the string and will rise back up.

The tubing does not have such a regulator, so that is a problem. I.e., it will either float to the ceiling, or fall over. You can't get it exactly right.
 

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