Can I Build a 3-Phase Voltmeter for Testing Motorcycle Alternators?

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The discussion revolves around the design and construction of a voltmeter capable of measuring the unloaded AC output of all three phases of a motorcycle's 3-phase permanent-magnet alternator simultaneously. Participants explore various design considerations, including power supply requirements and measurement methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their intention to build a voltmeter that can measure all three phases of a motorcycle alternator at once, using a specific model of digital voltmeter.
  • Another participant suggests that three separate power sources may be necessary for the three meters due to potential lack of isolation between the power input and measurement leads.
  • A different participant proposes using a three-position switch to select which phase to measure, providing a wiring diagram and labeling suggestions for clarity.
  • The original poster acknowledges the suggestion to use separate power sources and expresses interest in both the three-meter design and the switch-based approach for aesthetic and practical considerations.
  • One participant reflects on the value of building custom tools, suggesting that the original poster may find the tool more useful than anticipated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to the design, with some favoring a multi-meter setup while others suggest a switch-based method. There is no consensus on the optimal design or power supply configuration.

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Participants discuss the potential need for isolation in power supply and measurement, as well as the aesthetic versus practical considerations in tool design. Specific technical details regarding wiring and component selection are also mentioned but remain unresolved.

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Individuals interested in DIY electronics, motorcycle maintenance, or custom tool design may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi, I'm trying to build a voltmeter that will simultaneously measure all three phases unloaded of a 3-phase permanent-magnet alternator off a motorcycle (Honda Goldwings mostly, not that that's relevant...) The way these are typically checked in the industry is to set a voltmeter to measure AC, disconnect the stator and measure the unloaded AC output Line 1-2, 2-3, 3-1. This is sometimes a pain to do in the garage so I'm looking to make a tool I can simply plug into the 3P outlet and read all three at the same time. The meter I use already is this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-AC0-500V-LCD-Digital-Volt-Panel-Meter-Voltmeter-/111161235696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e1b9d8f0

I've used this successfully as a single-phase meter for a while, so my though was to tie three of the together, powered by an independent 9-volt battery (when it says "power supply needed" the spec is 8-15VDC). I've attached a PDF of my proverbial tool and was just looking for input as to any design mistake I've made.
 

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I'm not sure, but I think you need 3 separate power sources for the 3 meters. I doubt they have isolation between their power input and the measurement leads...
 
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Can you solder ?
this three position switch
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CK-Components/A20303RNZQ/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNbjZ2WlReYqS7wnWG8l9O54StjK1Q2yQ%3d
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wired to a connector that mates with the stator plug
will let you select the phase to be measured.

its bottom will look like this
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/60/A_Rotary_30juyl14-38283.pdf
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except it won't have terminals B and D

here's how to wire it
3pswitch.jpg


on the front panel of whatever you mount it to
Label position 1 AB (or 1-2)
Label position 2 AC (or 1-3)
Label position 3 BC (or 2-3)

now you can use any meter
myself i prefer analog meters for you can judge by the needle movement how much fluctuation you're getting.

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have fun !

old jim
 
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Thanks for the input. Berkeman, I appreciate the input and I will adjust the panel to give each meter it's own individual 9V power source. Jim, the 3-position switch was actually my first thought on the subject, but I went for the three-digital-panel design simply for aesthetics sake since to be honest I'm really building a tool simply for the sake of the tool. I freely admit it's more of a project just to do it than for actual practical value. Maybe I'll make both designs and see which works better.

Thanks again guys.
 
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I freely admit it's more of a project just to do it than for actual practical value.

I predict you'll wonder how you ever got along without it.
At bottom of my avatar is a home-built special purpose test box.
Making your own special tools multiplies your rate of 'getting things done' .

Meters have got so inexpensive it's hardly worth buying a switch.
Whichever you do, your work-mates will want one too...