Can I catch up on physics 1 & 2 in 3 months?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of catching up on the material from Physics 1 and 2 within a three-month summer period. Participants explore the challenges of self-studying the content, the adequacy of prior knowledge, and the potential use of tutoring or specific textbooks to aid in this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about their limited exposure to theoretical aspects of physics due to a focus on engineering applications in their previous courses.
  • Some participants suggest that retaking the courses at university could be a more effective way to catch up, while others argue against this due to the potential for extending their time in school unnecessarily.
  • Several participants believe that catching up in three months is possible, contingent on the individual's commitment and study habits.
  • One participant proposes hiring a tutor with experience teaching college-level physics to provide structure and guidance during self-study.
  • Another participant mentions that the summer semester's shorter duration might make the task more manageable if the participant is only 40% behind.
  • Recommendations for textbooks include Tsokos' book on IB Physics and Shankar's Fundamentals of Physics, with suggestions to utilize online resources and lectures for additional support.
  • Concerns are raised about the differences in upper-level physics courses, which may emphasize derivation and first principles more than introductory courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether catching up in three months is feasible. Some believe it is possible with dedication, while others express skepticism about the time frame.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of self-study may depend on individual learning styles, prior knowledge, and the quality of resources used. The discussion highlights varying opinions on the necessity and effectiveness of retaking courses versus self-study.

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This discussion may be useful for students in similar situations who are considering self-study options for physics courses, as well as those interested in strategies for catching up on academic material efficiently.

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So I am currently an ME major at CC. I am probably going to transfer to a university to study physics next fall but there is one problem...

I took physics 1 & 2 at a community college that is very heavily focused on their engineering program. Because of this, I only learned things in physics 1 & 2 that applied to mechanical and electrical engineering. I barely learned any theory, in fact, I am just now learning in my dynamics class that the kinematics equations are derived from the basic relations of acceleration, velocity, and position using calculus. Instead of explaining them, my professor just gave us the equations and told us to memorize them.

I want to say that I know 50-60% of what I should know coming out of physics 1 & 2, and this is with my understanding of statics, dynamics, thermo and mechanics of materials from my engineering classes.

As mentioned, I am behind because my teacher did not require us to learn all of the material. I got high A's in both classes and have a 3.97 GPA in my A.S. of Mechanical Engineering.

My question is, do you think it would be possible for me to catch up on everything that I missed over the summer? I will not be working at all this summer; however, I will be taking linear algebra.

Also, which textbook should I use to study calc based physics 1 and 2 over the summer? Apparently the one my school uses is horrible.
 
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Why can't you just retake physics in the university?
 
micromass said:
Why can't you just retake physics in the university?
because that would result in me spending an extra year at university for no reason

well, not for no reason, I would obviously get caught up, but if I can just learn most of it in the summer and then catch all of the small things while I advance through my degree, I might as well do that.
 
drcne said:
because that would result in me spending an extra year at university for no reason

well, not for no reason, I would obviously get caught up, but if I can just learn most of it in the summer and then catch all of the small things while I advance through my degree, I might as well do that.

OK, good point. But we can't really give you an answer. Some people can catch this up in 3 months, other can't. It depends on you. You should definitely try it. Study a lot and try to get caught up. If it works it works. That's the best we can tell you.
 
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I think you could get caught up on the material in a year sequence Physics 1 and 2 in one summer, if you commit yourself to it. I do not know your financial situation but maybe you can employ a tutor, particularly, a tutor who has taught Physics 1 and 2 at the college/university level. That way, you would have some structure to do the preparation, and be confident that you are making good use of your time. If your estimate, that you already are comfortable with 50-60 % of the material is a good estimate, catching up on the remaining part over the summer sounds like it is doable, but I do think a tutor would increase your chances.
 
drcne said:
because that would result in me spending an extra year at university for no reason

well, not for no reason, I would obviously get caught up, but if I can just learn most of it in the summer and then catch all of the small things while I advance through my degree, I might as well do that.
My opinion is that you cannot review Physics 1 & 2 in three months. You should be able to review Physics 1 (Mechanics?) in three months and maybe do the Physics 2 (Electricity & Magnetism?) again in the university.
 
mpresic said:
I think you could get caught up on the material in a year sequence Physics 1 and 2 in one summer, if you commit yourself to it. I do not know your financial situation but maybe you can employ a tutor, particularly, a tutor who has taught Physics 1 and 2 at the college/university level. That way, you would have some structure to do the preparation, and be confident that you are making good use of your time. If your estimate, that you already are comfortable with 50-60 % of the material is a good estimate, catching up on the remaining part over the summer sounds like it is doable, but I do think a tutor would increase your chances.
I think you're right. I don't think it would be a problem for me to get most of it done over the summer. It will just take a lot of motivation lol. And I actually teach myself nearly everything from the book, so the textbook will be my personal tutor!
symbolipoint said:
My opinion is that you cannot review Physics 1 & 2 in three months. You should be able to review Physics 1 (Mechanics?) in three months and maybe do the Physics 2 (Electricity & Magnetism?) again in the university.
I'm really not trying to act like I already know the answer to my own question, because I just now thought of this, but if I actually am only 40% behind in those classes, and the summer semesters at my school are 10 weeks long as apposed to the 15 week semesters in the fall and spring, I would technically only need .4*(30 weeks) = 12 weeks to learn all of the material. And that is considering that I have the same course load as I do in the semester which isn't true; since I'm only taking 1 class this seems doable.

We'll see if I can actually stay motived to study that much over the summer though lol.
 
There's a book Tsokos on IB Physics that might get you there with concentrated study and independent research online:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521138213/?tag=pfamazon01-20

This is first year physics basically.

Be aware that upper level physics courses are completely different stressing first principles and deriving the equations that are taught in physics 1 and 2.
 
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Shankar's Fundamentals of Physics lectures are on YouTube, and the Yale Open Courses site has .zip files with the exercises for the course. You can get help in the homework subforum here with any exercises you have trouble with.

A suggestion: You could start now at a slow pace to get a head start. That would be helped by the fact that the easiest material is at the beginning of Fundamentals of Physics I. Then you could ramp up to a winter-term level pace of two or three lectures per day during the summer.
 
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As an M.E. major, why are you overly concerned here (the strict time limit)? You'll likely never take a physics course from the physics department at university. Most of your courses there will probably be heavy into applications and calculations anyway.

Not deriving the kinematic equations wasn't because it was an engineering focused course, it was likely you just had a poor teacher or a college that incorrectly set prerequisites, in my opinion.

Learning more about physics is definitely something that's worth doing, I just wouldn't stress about doing it in three months.

Edit: Never mind! I apparently can't read, I see you're transferring for physics. In that case, it would be helpful at this point to maybe review Feynmans lectures or one of the other suggestions here. If you have three months of dead time, you could probably make it through them.
 
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