Can I Teach Myself Calculus with a Strong Foundation in Algebra?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of self-teaching calculus for someone with a strong foundation in algebra, particularly in the context of preparing for a calculus course after completing precalculus. Participants explore various resources, the importance of precalculus knowledge, and personal experiences related to self-study in mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a strong foundation in algebra is sufficient to begin learning calculus independently.
  • Others argue that while algebra skills are important, a solid understanding of precalculus concepts, including trigonometry and limits, is crucial for success in calculus.
  • Several participants share personal experiences of self-teaching calculus, indicating that it is possible but can be challenging without proper guidance.
  • Recommendations for textbooks vary, with some suggesting James Stewart's text for its accessibility, while others mention the importance of rigor in learning materials.
  • One participant emphasizes that precalculus provides essential modeling techniques that are important for applying calculus concepts effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential pitfalls of learning calculus without a deep understanding of its foundational concepts, particularly in applying techniques to word problems.
  • Some participants express the view that precalculus is merely an extension of algebra, while others highlight its importance in developing a comprehensive understanding of functions and limits.
  • There are inquiries about resources for reviewing basic trigonometric functions and identities, indicating a desire for supplementary materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of precalculus knowledge for self-teaching calculus. While some believe it is not essential, others strongly advocate for its importance in understanding calculus concepts and applications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their experiences with precalculus varied, with differing levels of exposure to limits and functions, which may affect their views on its importance for calculus.

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Individuals considering self-study in calculus, particularly those with a background in algebra and precalculus, may find this discussion relevant. It may also benefit those seeking recommendations for learning materials and insights into the challenges of self-teaching mathematics.

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with a strong foundation in algebra (1&2), would i be able to get a calculus book, read through it and begin to understand the concepts? ill be in precalculus this spring, but the curriculum at my institution isn't that complex. some trig and algebraic gymnastics. i was actually able to do my friends homework nearly every time he had trouble.
 
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You should be fine. All you really need is good algebra skills to succeed in calculus. The only thing you will miss out on is a professors perspective which is helpful in that it supplements the text well, but this is far from required. It may be difficult for you but its doable.

I would recommend choosing a text wisely
 
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mbisCool said:
You should be fine. All you really need is good algebra skills to succeed in calculus. The only thing you will miss out on is a professors perspective which is helpful in that it supplements the text well, but this is far from required. It may be difficult for you but its doable.

I would recommend choosing a text wisely

what text would you suggest? i was just going to go to the book store at school and buy the one they use there because for calc 1 and 2 they use the same book so i figured id kill two birds with one stone. but i just started a new job and have extra money. what are some suggestions?
 
I would say it depends on your goals. If you want a user friendly introductory text I would say Stewart as a lot of community colleges use this text. There are of course texts of greater rigor from which you will learn more and develop greater problem solving ability idealy, but which require more mathematical maturity. you be the judge. Also this is just my opinion
 
Sure you can teach yourself calculus. I taught myself calculus back when I was sixteen, and I am by no means an exceptionally gifted individual. Calculus is pretty simple mathematics, so with the proper algebra skills you can certainly grab a book and understand enough of it to take derivatives and integrals. When I did it, I had trouble with some of the more difficult problems involving the chain rule and certain types of limits, but I definitel understood all of the basics.

As MbisCool suggested, James Stewart's textbook would probably be what you're looking for. It's written at an elementary level and has plenty of illustrative diagrams. I would get that. Plus, when you take calculus in college, that'll probably be the textbook you use.
 
arunma said:
Sure you can teach yourself calculus. I taught myself calculus back when I was sixteen, and I am by no means an exceptionally gifted individual. Calculus is pretty simple mathematics, so with the proper algebra skills you can certainly grab a book and understand enough of it to take derivatives and integrals. When I did it, I had trouble with some of the more difficult problems involving the chain rule and certain types of limits, but I definitel understood all of the basics.

As MbisCool suggested, James Stewart's textbook would probably be what you're looking for. It's written at an elementary level and has plenty of illustrative diagrams. I would get that. Plus, when you take calculus in college, that'll probably be the textbook you use.

the cc i go to uses books by ron larson so ill have to get it off amazon.
 
You need good basic Trigonometry knowledge and Intermediate Algebra proficiency. With those, you have enough to study the first two semesters of Calculus on your own.
 
yea, calculus is nice because almost no precalc knowledge is required whatsoever. All you need to no are the basic trig functions and a few identities... maybe polar coordinates, but these were only necessary in calc III as a foundation for other coordinate systems. Pre calc is essential just an extension of algebra II. it just solidifies your knowledge.
 
zoner7 said:
yea, calculus is nice because almost no precalc knowledge is required whatsoever. All you need to no are the basic trig functions and a few identities... maybe polar coordinates, but these were only necessary in calc III as a foundation for other coordinate systems. Pre calc is essential just an extension of algebra II. it just solidifies your knowledge.

know of any place i can read up on said material? (basic trig functions and identities?)
 
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I would strongly disagree that pre-calculus is not important. You might be able to just pick up a calculus text, learn the algorithms, and crank out derivatives/integrals - but you will probably hit a wall when it comes to applying calculus techniques in word problems - you will just be a Ti-89 that takes longer and has a higher probability of error.

Once your algebra skills are strong, pre-calculus will teach you further modeling techniques - and not just using algebraic functions. An ability to model with trigonometric and other transcendental functions is very important for continued understanding of math, science, and engineering. Pre-calculus also focuses heavily on the limit, which is at the foundation of understanding the derivative and fundamental theorems of calculus.

I didn't get a proper pre-calculus preparation in high school, and although I got a B+ in Calculus I my first time around, I bombed Calculus II. Two years ago I started over with Pre-Calculus, and A's have followed me through Calculus I, Calculus II, and now Calculus III (Multivariable). The grades aren't even the best part... it's having the understanding and way of thought to analyze problems that seem impossible on the surface.

Don't brush over pre-calculus or race through it without taking the time to think about the material at hand... it's key!
 
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I can't even remember seeing a limit in precalc... I'm sure we looked at them, but we in no way examined their depth. But yea, like the above guy was saying, make sure you have a very firm understand of functions. Quite necessary in order to understand the actual concepts of calculus (these are what matter). So yea, concepts are essential! Being able to take a derivative is worthless if you do not understand how to use a derivative.
 
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You can teach yourself calc. For me, I taught myself precalc so I could get to calculus because I wanted to take calculus. However, let it be know that teaching yourself a whole course to yourself (like calc) can be demanding. I remember nights when I was teaching myself precalc and it was getting tiresome. Some nights I didn't want to even bother opening up my precalc book because I was sick of studying. I didn't give up though and i was able to move up to calculus. On the plus side, when you teach yourself calculus you don't have to be so self conscious about showing all your work to the teacher (because you are the teacher!).

In short, would it be worth in it the long run? Yes, but only if you are determined to stick with it.
 
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When I was somewhere in high school I taught myself calc out of a book that simply told you how to do calculus, not understand anything. It was fine for me then because I only wanted to learn calculus to work through a physics book. I would like to know why do you want to learn calculus? To develop your mathematical or to apply it somewhere? If the former then you should learn it properly. IF you just want to know how to do calculus without understanding it, I think I used "Teach Yourself Calculus", I'm not sure of the author.
 
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im taking precalc in the spring. I am interested in making a attempt at teaching my self calc so i can take a diagnostic test and go into a calc 2 class. even if i have to take the calc class i wouldn't mind.
 

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