Can information truly be teleported using quantum entanglement?

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The discussion centers on the concept of information teleportation using quantum entanglement, particularly in relation to claims made about experiments achieving this over a distance of 3 meters. Participants explore the implications of such teleportation on established principles like special relativity, the nature of information transfer, and the security of communication methods derived from quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the teleportation of information, arguing it contradicts special relativity and suggesting that only the state of a particle is being queried rather than actual information being transmitted.
  • Others clarify that to transmit information, classical communication is always necessary, which does not exceed the speed of light, and that while some interpretations of quantum mechanics suggest instantaneous changes, these cannot be used for data transfer alone.
  • A participant references a claim from Professor Hanson that teleportation could enable secure communication, questioning the feasibility of this claim if classical transmission is also involved.
  • There are assertions that popular articles misrepresent the nature of quantum teleportation, with some participants arguing that what is occurring is the simultaneous creation of identical bits rather than true teleportation of information.
  • Concerns are raised about the terminology used in popular science, with some suggesting that the phrase "the same random bit is being created simultaneously in two places" oversimplifies the quantum processes involved.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of classical data transfer to reconstruct messages, emphasizing that the combination of teleported states and classical information is essential for effective communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the nature of information teleportation. There are competing views on whether true information is being teleported or if only states are being correlated, and the implications of these processes on communication security remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics, the ambiguity in the definition of "information," and the unresolved nature of how classical and quantum information interact in the context of teleportation.

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I have seen numerous articles referencing the teleportation of information over a distance of 3 meters using quantum entanglement.

I don't believe it. That would contradict special relativity, would it not? You could, for example, decide which of two observers moving relatively to one another has the faster clock and which has the slower clock. One observer could encode the clock time into qubits and transmit them to the other. There would be no disagreement because quantum entanglement implies instantaneous correlation of states.

I think they are only querying the state of a particle. Of course, they then know that same state will be realized instantaneously at the other end, but that does not permit the transmission of information, yet the "leader" of the project, Professor Hanson of Delft University, is quoted as saying that "in principle it should be possible to teleport ourselves from one place to another". That would necessarily involve the transformation of the information within a person's brain.
 
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That would contradict special relativity
No. To transmit information, those teleportation mechanisms always have to send classical information as well - and that is not faster than the speed of light.
In some (not all) interpretations of quantum mechanics, a part of the teleportation happens without delay (but even then you cannot tell in which frame it would happen without delay - every frame can share this view), but you cannot use this part alone for data transfer, for example.
That would necessarily involve the transformation of the information within a person's brain.
Right, and it would need a massive classical data transfer.
 
mfb said:
No. To transmit information, those teleportation mechanisms always have to send classical information as well - and that is not faster than the speed of light.
In some (not all) interpretations of quantum mechanics, a part of the teleportation happens without delay (but even then you cannot tell in which frame it would happen without delay - every frame can share this view), but you cannot use this part alone for data transfer, for example.
Right, and it would need a massive classical data transfer.

I have two problems with your answer. First, directly from hansonlab.tudelft.nl/teleportation

Teleporting people through space, as is done in Star Trek, is impossible by the laws of physics. Teleporting information is another matter, however, thanks to the extraordinary world of quantum mechanics. Researchers at TU Delft’s Kavli Institute of Nanoscience have succeeded in deterministically transferring the information contained in a quantum bit – the quantum analogue of a classical bit – to a different quantum bit 3 metres away, without the information having traveled through the intervening space: teleportation. The results are published online in Science, on Thursday 29 May.


Second, there is a direct quote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10863929/Beam-me-up-Scotty-teleportation-could-become-reality.html from Hanson claiming secure communication.

''One application nearest to a real life application is secure communication.

''What you're doing is using entanglement as your communication channel.

''The information is teleported to the other side, and there's no way anyone can intercept that information.

''In principle it's 100 per cent secure.''

If the information is really being teleported and there's no way to intercept it, then a transmission through the EM field is not taking place. If it is also being transmitted through the EM field, then there is no 100% security.

http://computerstories.net/dutch-scientists-teleport-data-for-the-first-time-ever/ is how they claim to do it.

Hanson and his colleagues had achieved weaving electrons or quantum bits in the passed, but for the very first time now also succeeded in successfully sending information using this phenomenon.

The scientists succeeded in placing an electron in a predetermined state of spin. They were than able to read or analyze this ‘spin’ three meters further by analyzing the other woven twin-particle or quantum bit.

I find this almost impossible to believe, especially because there is no claim of this being an exception to the principle of relativity, here or in any of the articles I have read.
 
Thinkor said:
I have two problems with your answer.
You might want to read the wikipedia article on quantum teleportation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

Mfb's answer is correct, and you are reading more into your material than is there.
 
Nugatory said:
You might want to read the wikipedia article on quantum teleportation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

Mfb's answer is correct, and you are reading more into your material than is there.

The popular articles are wrong. Information is not being teleported. The same random bit is being created simultaneously in two places. That is a useful thing to be able to do, but it ("quantum information") is not "information". It is just more sloppy physics terminology.
 
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Thinkor said:
The popular articles are wrong.
Some of them are wrong, but the wikipedia page gives a good overview and has references to actual scientific articles.


Information is not being teleported. The same random bit is being created simultaneously in two places.
I guess you are talking about entanglement here, which you have to do prepare between some states before you can teleport things. But "the same random bit" is misleading, as this looks like a purely classical description. The bits are more than "just the same".

Note that you cannot use "The same random bit is being created simultaneously in two places." to transmit any message. You know "hey, the other one sees the same bit", but you cannot fix this to a specific value. You can use it as secure one-time pad together with a classical channel.

Let's send a message in that way:
succeeded in deterministically transferring the information contained in a quantum bit [...] without the information having traveled through the intervening space
Yes, by performing quantum operations with the object to teleport and one entangled particle (in some interpretations of QM those involve instantaneous changes of the entangled partner).
You cannot use this to send a message. Just with this, for every bit sent, the receiver gets 1 with 50% probability and 0 with 50% probability - it looks like purely random noise.

To recover the message, the receiver has to know the result of measurements done at the sender - those results can be transferred in classical ways (electromagnetic waves, mail, avian carriers... does not matter). They alone also look like purely random noise. This is the 100% security part - it does not help you to intercept the classical data transfer.

Only the combination of both - the teleported state and the classical data stream - allows a reconstruction of the message.

If you want to transmit quantum states, the idea stays the same. You are not allowed to measure the transmitted particle (in the relevant parameter) as this will destroy the quantum state, but you still need the classical information path to prepare this state correctly.
 

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