Can IR Rays Be Shifted Into the Visible Spectrum Using Simple Materials?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of shifting infrared (IR) rays into the visible light spectrum using simple materials or devices, such as goggles made from anti-stokes pigments. Participants explore various methods and materials that could potentially achieve this goal, while considering the practicality and effectiveness of such approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the possibility of using goggles made from special materials like anti-stokes pigments to shift IR rays into the visible spectrum.
  • Another participant argues that it is generally not possible to achieve this with simple coatings, as they would not preserve the direction of the photons and would have very low efficiency in converting IR to visible light.
  • There is mention of dyes that can be excited by UV/visible light and then decay upon encountering an IR photon, although their effectiveness is questioned.
  • A suggestion is made to modify a digital camera by removing its IR-blocking filter to see IR light, providing a practical method for viewing up to 1.1 microns.
  • One participant claims that there are various ways to create a visible image from IR information, albeit not always accurate, and references existing systems developed for targeting purposes.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of parameter-up conversion as a method to shift IR to visible light, referencing laser viewing cards that utilize dyes pumped by UV light.
  • It is noted that non-linear optics can be used to double or sum wavelengths, but this requires a coherent beam and specific setups, which may not be applicable for converting stray IR light.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for a highly coherent beam and birefringent crystals for effective phase matching, cautioning against misconceptions about the ease of achieving such conversions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using simple materials to shift IR rays into the visible spectrum. While some propose potential methods, others challenge their practicality and effectiveness, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as the type of IR source and the efficiency of the proposed methods. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the technical requirements for successful conversion.

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Hi,

I'm trying to think up a way to shift IR rays into visible light spectrum so that the human eye can effectively see the IR image. Is it possible to do such a feat with something as simple as goggles made from a special material (e.g. anti-stokes pigments)??

If not possible with such simple devices, what is actually the most portable way of doing such a shift to visible light?? (something like night-vision goggles are too expensive and complicated... something more spartan) =D

Thanks!
 
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It's generally not possible. Firstly the coating wouldn't preserve the direction of the photon it would re-emit into 4pi so you could detect a glow but not see the image.
Then the efficency of these conversions are very-very low, you aren't going to get a naked eye signal out unless you are viewing a very bright IR source.

There are dyes which you can excite with a UV/Visible preflash and then they sit in a metastable state until an IR photon comes along and they decay.
They used to be coated on CCDs to make (poor) ID detectors.

What kind of infrared (what temperature source and how bright) do you want to see?
 
dybleah said:
Hi,

I'm trying to think up a way to shift IR rays into visible light spectrum so that the human eye can effectively see the IR image. Is it possible to do such a feat with something as simple as goggles made from a special material (e.g. anti-stokes pigments)??

If not possible with such simple devices, what is actually the most portable way of doing such a shift to visible light?? (something like night-vision goggles are too expensive and complicated... something more spartan) =D

Thanks!
People do this all the time. You want to create a visible image of the IR information? There are a lot of ways to pull this off. They are not always really accurate visual translations, but if all you want to do is target and kill somebody, the systems are already highly developed.
 
dybleah said:
Hi,

I'm trying to think up a way to shift IR rays into visible light spectrum so that the human eye can effectively see the IR image. Is it possible to do such a feat with something as simple as goggles made from a special material (e.g. anti-stokes pigments)??

If not possible with such simple devices, what is actually the most portable way of doing such a shift to visible light?? (something like night-vision goggles are too expensive and complicated... something more spartan) =D

Thanks!

in my impression, someone use parameter-up conversion to do this
 
wdlang said:
in my impression, someone use parameter-up conversion to do this
laser viewing cards use dyes pumped by the uv in sunlight, http://www.cascadelaser.com/ircards.html but they aren't what you would call sensitive.

Some lasers use KDP (Potassium Dideuterium Phosphate) crystals to double IR (usually 1064nm YAG) to green (532nm)
 
While you can use non-linear optics to double or even sum wavelengths you need a highly coherent beam of high energy(ie laser) with a strongly birefringent crystal so that you can get phase matching. Not something that can be done without the correct set up and not something that will work to convert stray IR to a visible wavelength.

Just didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea:)
 

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