Can large scale warfare be abolished in the next 100 years?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of abolishing large-scale warfare within the next 100 years. Participants explore various factors contributing to warfare, including ideology, religion, nationalism, and socio-economic conditions, while considering potential solutions and the challenges involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that abolishing religion and nationalism could lead to the end of large-scale warfare.
  • Others contend that the ease of breaking rules and the desire for revenge make it unlikely to eliminate large-scale conflict.
  • A viewpoint suggests that poverty and lack of options contribute to the rise of dictatorships and fanaticism, proposing wealth redistribution as a potential solution.
  • Some participants emphasize the role of ideology in causing wars, arguing that it can be more influential than religion or nationalism.
  • There are suggestions for alternative methods of conflict resolution, such as using non-lethal means or engaging in personal duels instead of warfare.
  • One participant posits that the presence of thermonuclear powers may prevent large-scale wars between them, shifting conflicts to smaller engagements.
  • Concerns are raised about human nature, greed, and the difficulty of achieving a global commitment to peace.
  • Some express skepticism about the feasibility of wealth redistribution, citing historical resistance from both the wealthy and the impoverished.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the feasibility of abolishing large-scale warfare. Multiple competing perspectives on the causes of war and potential solutions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include various assumptions about human behavior, the impact of socio-economic factors, and the complexities of ideology, which are not universally accepted or agreed upon.

Can war be abolished in the next 100 Years?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • No

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • Total voters
    19
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  • #31
First of all, in order to stop war, you need to be absolutely sure what causes it.

Here's a small list:

Religion
Politics
Race
Morales
Greed

Those are the 5 major ones, tell me if there are more, and think of ways that those could be removed. Genetic behavioral modification would anger people who have some morales, and would also start "genetic-sism".
 
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  • #32
MillerTime111 said:
Even if that happened some people wouldn't like the world and would form an army to fight against the one country. People are never happy
People always say this. What is it about humans that inherently believe every idiot who dislikes society can somehow start his own personal army and conquer the world, thus ruining everything good about humanity?
 
  • #33
We can stop large scale war NOW!

50 thermonuclear bombs, every major city.

No more war.
 
  • #34
As long as we are breathing there will be war.
 
  • #35
New kind of war

Superpowers do not fight wars the old way--too much death and destruction. The new 'wars' are economic wars fought with economic power. Why destroy the enemy and possibly yourself when you can BUY them? Why do you think the Japanese and the Chinese are amassing so many hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars?
 
  • #36
Temporarily Blah said:
First of all, in order to stop war, you need to be absolutely sure what causes it.

Here's a small list:

Religion
Politics
Race
Morales
Greed

Those are the 5 major ones, tell me if there are more, and think of ways that those could be removed. Genetic behavioral modification would anger people who have some morales, and would also start "genetic-sism".
---watch "Serenity," don't want any reavers!


These are not causes, these are merely created structures thru which humans are able to effect control over other humans. Humans and chimps (and ants) are the only creatures to make war (as far as I've researched). Humans and chimps are socially structured into male-bonded kin groups. The way these groups make up for the loss of new female immigrants is by eliminating competition thru warfare - they go out on raids past their own territories and deliberately and aggressively attack lone chimps (in our case humans). The males make coalitions while the females are essentially under the control of the males and have no choice but to immigrate into other groups. You can read Demonic Males for further explanation.

Creatures that do this are better able to pass on their genes. The things you mentioned are just cultural justifications for social control. It's not necessarily greed (can you not call other animals greedy for competing?), it's survival tactics. Every organism is invested in their own self-interest, the ones who aren't don't pass on as many genes.

The only way to eliminate war is to eliminate the benefits gained by war...hard to do without destroying your livlihood. That's why societies like the Ju'wasi (small groups of foragers in Africa) have social controls for this - they make a big show of not giving too much attention or reward to accomplishments. When men come back from hunts, they almost ritually devalue what he brings back, calling the prey scrawny and joking with the man. Also, the woman who gave the man the arrow is the one to divy up the meat, so this keeps the control out of his hands, keeps the potential for hierarchy at bay. It really entails work to do this. And the more people involved the more difficult it will be to do this.
 
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  • #37
People never fail to learn from history...

The weapons will get bigger and more powerful...they will be used.

Its just a question of when and where.
 
  • #38
"If you will it, it is no dream" - Theadore Hertzl

with the right attitude, yes, humanity can be at peace with itself. People just have to have this viewpoint. On the other hand, if people don't think that humanity will ever be at peace with itself, then it won't.
 

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