Can Light Speed Be Slowed to 38mph? | Harvard Gazette

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The discussion centers around the concept of slowing the speed of light, specifically referencing an article about scientists achieving this at temperatures near absolute zero. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon on the idea of universal speed limits, questioning whether a minimal speed limit exists.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article claiming scientists slowed light to nearly 38 mph and questions if this implies a minimal universal speed limit.
  • Another participant argues against the idea of a minimal speed limit, stating that many things travel slower than 38 mph and that the slowing of light is not solely due to low temperatures.
  • A later reply mentions that the same group of scientists has managed to completely halt light, suggesting that there is no minimal universal speed limit based on this finding.
  • One participant asks if 38 mph would have been the maximum speed limit under near absolute zero conditions and requests a summary of the experiment for those without journal access.
  • Another participant provides a link to a report that may address the previous question.
  • One participant describes the process of light pulse compression and the resulting energy reduction, questioning how it is possible to have a fraction of a photon.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the fraction refers to the number of photons in comparison to free-space conditions.
  • Another participant raises a concern about a potential grammatical error in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of slowing light and the existence of a minimal speed limit. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific experimental conditions and definitions, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of photon behavior in this context.

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In an article which I had read last year about a couple of scientists slowing the speed of light to almost 38mph by reaching almost Absloute zero.

since the speed of light in a vacuum is the maximum universal speed limit, would this mean that 38mph is the minimal universal speed limit?

if this Idea is wrong can someone please give reasons why it is wrong so I can understand and hopefuly learn from my mistakes :smile:


Oh incase anyone wants to read the article here is a link

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html
 
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Well its wrong because I know about a million things that go slower than 38 mph, as to why its wrong I'm sure you will get better answers from someone else. But it's not just the super cold temperature that makes the light slow down by itself for starters.
 
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bayan said:
In an article which I had read last year about a couple of scientists slowing the speed of light to almost 38mph by reaching almost Absloute zero.

since the speed of light in a vacuum is the maximum universal speed limit, would this mean that 38mph is the minimal universal speed limit?

if this Idea is wrong can someone please give reasons why it is wrong so I can understand and hopefuly learn from my mistakes :smile:


Oh incase anyone wants to read the article here is a link

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html

You are several years too late. The same group headed by Lena Hau has managed to "halt" light completely, i.e. 0 m/s.[1] So there is no "minimal unversal speed limit", at least not from this.

Zz

[1] C. Liu et al., Nature v.409, p.490 (2001).
 
Would 38mph have been the 'maximum universal speed limit' in the ~0K conditions? For those of us who don't have access to journals, can you summarize the experiment?
 
whozum said:
Would 38mph have been the 'maximum universal speed limit' in the ~0K conditions? For those of us who don't have access to journals, can you summarize the experiment?

This report should answer your question.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/14/9/8/1

Zz.
 
What happens when the light pulse slows down is that it is compressed by a factor of some ten million, leaving an almost negligible amount of energy in the pulse. (In free space the pulse contains 25 000 photons and, once compressed, it contains only 1/400 of a free-space photon.) When we turn the coupling laser off abruptly, the light pulse comes to a grinding halt, and the atoms within the localized pulse region are left in their superposition "dark states". In these states, the relative proportions of states 1 and 2 is a measure of the electric-field ratio between the light pulse and the coupling laser before turn off. In effect, we imprint a phase grating in the atom cloud as if we were recording a hologram.

I thought the photon was fundamental? How can there be 1/400th of a photon?
 
whozum said:
I thought the photon was fundamental? How can there be 1/400th of a photon?

It's 1/400th of 25,000 free-space photons!

Zz.
 
Am I misunderstanding or did they make a critical grammatical error?
 
seems like I am several years back :) hah. had not read about them being able to stop it.
 

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