Can mass be compressed indefinitely?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical limits of mass compression, particularly in the context of energy availability and the behavior of matter under extreme conditions. Participants explore concepts related to black holes, neutron stars, and the fundamental nature of matter at high densities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a theoretical limit to how much an object can be compressed if an infinite amount of energy is assumed to be available.
  • Another participant suggests that mass can collapse under its own gravity to form a black hole, where a singularity is theorized to exist as an infinitely dense point mass.
  • A different viewpoint explains that at extremely high densities, atoms break down, leading to the formation of neutrons in neutron stars, and further compression could result in a quark-gluon plasma.
  • A later reply challenges the interpretation of singularities, suggesting that they represent a breakdown of current models rather than an infinitely dense point mass, inviting corrections from experts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of singularities and the limits of mass compression, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of energy and compression, as well as the definitions of singularities and the behavior of matter under extreme conditions.

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Hello, I am really new here and I am not sure if this is in the right secion, i just got a question about something I've thought about for a while.

If we assume that there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe, does that mean that there would teoretically be no limit on how much an object could be compressed?

I know that objects probably would get really hot if compressed enough, but still, speaking theoretically, if there is no limit on the power that compresses it..

What happens when the atoms simply can't get any closer to each other, is there such a limit?
 
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You can create an infinitely compressed object with a finite amount of energy. It's possible to gather enough mass together that its gravitational pull overcomes any possible internal pressure that would keep the mass from collapsing on itself. So the mass collapses on itself, and becomes a black hole, at the center of which is a "singularity"--an infinitely dense point mass.
 
When atoms are compressed to extremely high densities they break down, with the electrons being "absorbed" into the protons to form neutrons. This happens in a neutron star, which is the densest object known to exist besides a black hole. Increase the pressure further and it is theorized that the neutrons will break down and become a soup like material of quarks and gluons, which are what make up all hadrons. (Hadrons are particles made up of quarks, such as neutrons and protons)
 
Thanks for all the great answers, i will begin to translate them as well! Haha

Thanks!
 
The_Duck said:
... and becomes a black hole, at the center of which is a "singularity"--an infinitely dense point mass.

Actually, "singularity" is more appropriately described as "the place where our models break down and we really don't know WHAT is happening". I think most physicists do not actually think that the singularity is an "infinitely dense point mass". If there are experts here who think I'm wrong, I'm certainly open to correction.
 

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