Conservation of Mass for Compressible Flow

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The discussion revolves around the application of the conservation of mass in compressible flow, particularly focusing on a mathematical setup involving a piston pushing air through a tube. Participants explore the relationship between mass, density, and velocity in this context, while grappling with the integration of these variables over time and space.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario with a piston and a control volume, expressing confusion about deriving the density function ##\rho(u,t)## from the conservation of mass equations.
  • Another participant questions the assumptions in the equations, suggesting that the setup does not prevent all gas from moving instantaneously to the outlet, indicating a need for additional equations to solve for the unknown functions.
  • Some participants assert that conservation of mass can be applied independently, while others argue that momentum conservation and an equation of state are necessary to fully describe the flow dynamics.
  • There is a discussion about the differential form of the continuity equation and its relation to the problem at hand, with participants expressing uncertainty about how to connect their mathematical approach to established forms.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the use of divergence versus gradient in the equations, with some participants expressing confusion about the terminology and mathematical operations involved.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of taking a Taylor expansion of mass flux to derive relationships, indicating a method to address the issues raised in earlier posts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of conservation of mass in this scenario. There are competing views on the necessity of additional physical principles, such as momentum conservation, to fully understand the flow dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of density as a function of other variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the mathematical concepts involved, particularly regarding the application of differential equations and the implications of their assumptions. There is also a noted confusion about the terminology used in fluid dynamics, specifically between divergence and gradient.

  • #31
wrobel said:
Let ##\omega## be a k-form on m-dimensional manifold ##M,\quad m\ge k.## Let ## v## be a vector field on ##M## and ##g^t## be its flow.

Let ##S\subset M## be a k-dimensional compact submanifold. Then
$$\frac{d}{dt}\Big|_{t=0}\int_{g^t(S)}\omega=\int_SL_v\omega.$$ Here ##L_v## is a Lie derivative and the formula follows directly from the change of variables.

Particularly if k=m then ##\omega=\rho(x)dx^1\wedge\ldots\wedge dx^m## and
$$L_v\omega=\frac{\partial (\rho v^i)}{\partial x^i} dx^1\wedge\ldots\wedge dx^m.$$

From the group property it is not hard to show that the following conditions are equivalent

1) ##\frac{d}{dt}\Big|_{t=0}\int_{g^t(S)}\omega=0## for any k-dimensional compact submanifold S;
2) ##\frac{d}{dt}\int_{g^t(S)}\omega=0,\quad \forall t## and for any k-dimensional compact submanifold S;
3) ##L_v\omega=0##

This method is covering a lot of different circulations theorems in electrodynamics and hydro dynamics as well
In the fluid-mechanics literature those are known also as "Reynolds transport theorems". This is the modern Cartan-calculus formulation of them.
 
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  • #32
Yes! Elie Cartan's integral invariants.

Df. A form ##\omega## is called relative integral invariant iff ##L_v\omega=d\Omega\quad (\exists \Omega)##.
A form ##\alpha## is called absolute integral invariant iff ##L_v\alpha=0##.

If ##\omega## is a relative integral invariant then ##d\omega## is an absolute integral invariant: ##L_vd\omega=dL_v\omega=dd\Omega##
and
$$\frac{d}{dt}\Big|_{t=0}\int_{g^t(S)}\omega=\int_SL_v\omega=\int_{\partial S}\Omega.$$

For further play with these formulas use
$$L_v\omega=i_vd\omega+di_v\omega;$$

De Rham's theorem is also near here
etc.

For example in the extended phase space of a Hamiltonian system one has: ##dp_i\wedge dx^i-dH\wedge dt## is an absolute integral invariant; ##p_idx^i-Hdt## is a relative integral invariant.
 
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  • #33
vanhees71 said:
In the fluid-mechanics literature those are known also as "Reynolds transport theorems". This is the modern Cartan-calculus formulation of them.
The funny thing is, I know about Reynolds Transport Theorems, but I never would have recognized that(and frankly still can’t)! @wrobel said “k form on m dimensional manifold” and my head exploded. 🤯
 
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  • #34
The advantage of the modern Cartan calculus is that it becomes in a way very natural, and it's very general too, because it works not only in (pseudo)-Riemannian manifolds but in general differentiable manifolds, i.e., the Lie derivative and Stokes's theorem for alternating (differential) forms are independent of any additional structures like connections and/or (pseudo-)metrics.
 
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