Can matter really be created or destroyed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of matter creation and destruction, particularly in the context of digital displays and the physics of electrons. Participants explore the implications of typing on a keyboard and the resulting changes on a screen, questioning whether this constitutes the creation or destruction of matter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that typing on a keyboard creates pixels on a screen, implying the creation of something from "thin air."
  • Another participant counters that computers do not create electrons but rather move them, emphasizing the conservation of electric charge.
  • A different viewpoint clarifies that "things" are not synonymous with matter, arguing that matter has a specific definition in physics and does not include abstract concepts.
  • Some participants note that while matter can be created and destroyed, energy cannot, referencing the equation E=mc².
  • One participant explains that in a cathode ray tube (CRT), electrons are converted into photons, but the electron itself is not destroyed; rather, its energy is transformed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of matter and the processes involved in digital displays. There is no consensus on whether the actions described constitute the creation or destruction of matter, and multiple competing interpretations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of precise definitions in physics, indicating that misunderstandings may arise from conflating abstract concepts with physical matter. The discussion also reflects varying levels of expertise in computer science versus natural sciences.

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Everytime you type on a keyboard a pixel is created on a screen you have created something out of thin air. Everytime you delete a word, that pixel and bit on a platter is destroyed. perplexing isn't it?

I have been a computer guru for many years and it still perplexes me, that a single electron can come and go out of thin air.
 
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Your computer doesn't create any electrons, it just moves them around. Electrons in a cathode ray tube display come from the heated cathode.

Because of conservation of electric charge, it's not possible to create single electrons anyway, but you'll create an electron and a positron from nothing, or you create an electron a neutrino and a proton from a neutron.
 
mauriceb said:
Everytime you type on a keyboard a pixel is created on a screen you have created something out of thin air. Everytime you delete a word, that pixel and bit on a platter is destroyed. perplexing isn't it?

Uh, no? "Things" are not matter. "Matter" has a specific meaning in physics, and it does not extend to everything that is a "thing". "Blue" (noun) is a 'thing', "five" is a thing, but neither of them are physical objects, nor matter. The 'things' you describe are actually just states of matter. The amount of physical matter does not change.

(Although as it were, matter can be created and destroyed. E=mc^2 and all that. Energy, however, cannot be created or destroyed.)
I have been a computer guru for many years and it still perplexes me, that a single electron can come and go out of thin air.

In the cases you describe, they don't.

I don't really see why being a "computer guru" would imply any understanding of this. Computer science is not a natural science. Being an expert on computer software doesn't imply knowledge of the physics behind computers any more than having a degree in Literature implies knowledge of paper chemistry.
 
alxm said:
Uh, no? "Things" are not matter. "Matter" has a specific meaning in physics, and it does not extend to everything that is a "thing". "Blue" (noun) is a 'thing', "five" is a thing, but neither of them are physical objects, nor matter.

Yep. Also energy, gravity, space and time are things, but are not matter.
 
A pixel is just a tiny light. In a CRT a bunch of electrons get converted into photons and that is the pixel you see.

But the electron is not really converted into a photon! The energy it is carrying is. After the electron hits the inside of the CRT screen it gets recycled, at a lower energy state, back into the CRT circuit. So all the electron is doing is dumping energy to the screen that then shines out as light. Energy into energy, nothing fancy.
 

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