Why doesn't light destroy matter

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The discussion revolves around the question of why light does not destroy matter, particularly focusing on the behavior of electrons in atoms when exposed to photons. It touches on concepts from quantum mechanics, including wave-particle duality and the effects of measurement on quantum states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the absorption of a photon could determine the location of an electron and suggests that most photons are not absorbed.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that electrons switch between wave and particle states, asserting that this idea has been largely abandoned in modern physics.
  • Some participants argue that both electrons and photons are always waves, presenting this as a fundamental description of their nature.
  • There is a contention regarding the correctness of the wave-particle duality explanation, with some participants asserting it is outdated and incorrect.
  • A participant expresses a willingness to recommend resources for understanding modern quantum mechanics, indicating a belief that the discussion involves basic textbook concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of electrons and photons, as well as the implications of measurement in quantum mechanics.

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The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the behavior of photons and electrons, as well as differing interpretations of quantum mechanics that may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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I'm exploring quantum mechanics for fun and am in no way an expert.
I have a problem with understanding something:
If an atom would collapse if the electron acted like a particle and can only exist if the electron behaves as a wave (in a superposition) and if measuring an electron forces it to become a particle (chose a location), wouldn't photons of (visible) light hitting the electron turn it into a particle and thus destroy the atom?
How, then, does matter "survive"being illuminated?
 
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The measurement doesn't force a choice, but might help an observer determine the location. I would question first how would the absorption of a photon would determine the location of the electron? Secondly, most photons are not absorbed.
 
TCar said:
If an atom would collapse if the electron acted like a particle and can only exist if the electron behaves as a wave (in a superposition) and if measuring an electron forces it to become a particle (chose a location), wouldn't photons of (visible) light hitting the electron turn it into a particle and thus destroy the atom?

The entire notion that the electron switches between being a wave and a particle, and that it is a wave that collapses into a particle when measured, is wrong. It's one of those things that was considered early last century when physicists were first trying to make sense of the quantum effects that they were observing. By 1935 or thereabouts this idea had been largely abandoned, but by then it had made it into the popular imagination, where it will probably live forever.

If you don't want to grind your way through a modern first year textbook (which will require a fair amount of college-level math as a prerequisite) you could try Giancarlo Ghirardi's "Sneaking a look at God's cards" for a decent introduction to the modern understanding QM.
 
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The electron and photon are wave always. This is the way to describe only.
 
pr3dator said:
The electron and photon are wave always. This is the way to describe only.

You keep saying this.

A number of people, including me, have pointed out it's WRONG.

If you keep promulgating falsehoods the moderators, correctly, will censure you.

There are many good books explaining the modern view of QM. Simply post your math background and many including me will be only too happy to make recommendations.

BTW this is basic textbook stuff - there is nothing controversial about it. When Dirac came up with his transformation theory in 1926 such ideas were overthrown - likely before, but certainly by then:
http://www.lajpe.org/may08/09_Carlos_Madrid.pdf

Thanks
Bill
 
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Thanks to all who replied.
I'll look into the stuff you recommended.
 

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