Can Maxwell's equations describe a single photon?

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The discussion revolves around whether Maxwell's equations can adequately describe a single photon, exploring the relationship between classical electromagnetic theory and quantum electrodynamics (QED). Participants examine the implications of quantizing the electromagnetic field and the interpretation of photon states.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One author suggests that the Maxwell field can be viewed as the quantum wave function for a single photon, referencing a paper on the topic.
  • Another participant asserts that it is correct to describe a single photon using Maxwell's equations, citing foundational texts in quantum field theory (QFT).
  • A distinction is made between Maxwell's equations as classical equations and the Maxwell field, which can be quantized to yield photons.
  • There is a suggestion that classical electromagnetism can be interpreted as a quantum theory, with the four-potential representing a photon's wave function.
  • One participant challenges the interpretation that the Maxwell field serves as a wave function, arguing that it assigns classical EM field components rather than representing a photon's state accurately.
  • Questions are raised about the spatial probability density of a photon and the derivation of Maxwell's equations from the Schrödinger equation for a quantized electromagnetic field.
  • Another participant discusses the superposition of states for a photon and the role of creation operators in defining photon states, while expressing confusion over certain factors in the mathematical formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Maxwell's equations in relation to single photons, with no consensus reached on whether they can adequately describe a single photon or how to interpret the quantum state of a photon.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in deriving Maxwell's equations from the Schrödinger equation and highlight the need for careful consideration of definitions and interpretations in quantum field theory.

Usaf Moji
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One author states that "the usual Maxwell field is the quantum wave function for a single photon" - see http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0604/0604169.pdf

Is it correct that a single photon can be described using Maxwell's equations - or do the Maxwell equations only describe the behaviour of large numbers of photons?
 
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It is correct; basic to QED. See any QFT text; Weinberg for example.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
There is a difference between Maxwell's equations and the Maxwell field. The former are classical equations of motion, while the latter is a field that can be quantized. The quantization of this field leads to one or more photons.

There's a caveat, which applies to free fields only, that the classical equations of motion hold true as operator equations in quantum mechanics.
 
In this sense, classical EM is a quantum theory, with [tex]A^\mu[/tex] being the wave function of a photon.
 
Usaf Moji said:
"the usual Maxwell field is the quantum wave function for a single photon"
I would interpret this to mean that the wave function of a photon is a function that assigns classical EM field components to each point in space-time. That's definitely not correct.

(Reilly must have interpreted it differently).

However, if you quantize the field and have the quantum field act on the vacuum state, the result is a one-photon state that can be called the "wave function" of a single photon. I would prefer to call it a "state vector" instead of a "wave function" though.
 
I thought the point in QED is to calculate cross-sections without trying to answer questions like this :confused: What is the spatial probability density for the photon then? Is it possible to derive this Maxwell equation for the photon from the Schrödinger's equation of the entire system, quantized EM field?
 
jostpuur said:
I thought the point in QED is to calculate cross-sections without trying to answer questions like this :confused: What is the spatial probability density for the photon then? Is it possible to derive this Maxwell equation for the photon from the Schrödinger's equation of the entire system, quantized EM field?

The state of a photon is in general a superposition of states with different momenta. Let's ignore other degrees of freedom and express this as

[tex]\int d^3p f(\vec p)a^\dagger(\vec p)|0\rangle[/tex]

where [itex]a^\dagger(\vec p)[/itex] is the creation operator that creates a one-particle state with momentum p when it acts on the vaccum. The Fourier transform of f can be interpreted as an ordinary wave function.

When the field acts on the vacuum, the Fourier transform of what corresponds to this f in that case is a delta function.

You can't derive Maxwell's equations from the Schrödinger equation. You should think of Maxwell's equations as equations satisfied by the fields and the Shrödinger equation as an equation satisfied by the time evolution operator (which can be constructed from the fields).
 
Fredrik said:
The state of a photon is in general a superposition of states with different momenta. Let's ignore other degrees of freedom and express this as

[tex]\int d^3p f(\vec p)a^\dagger(\vec p)|0\rangle[/tex]

where [itex]a^\dagger(\vec p)[/itex] is the creation operator that creates a one-particle state with momentum p when it acts on the vaccum. The Fourier transform of f can be interpreted as an ordinary wave function.

I've been hoping that something like this could be true, but I've always got lost with the [tex]1/(2E_{\vec{p}})[/tex] factors in this business.
 

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