Can Mediocrity and Proofs Co-Exist? Physics Major Asks

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between understanding mathematical proofs and achieving good grades in physics and mathematics courses. Participants explore the effectiveness of reading proofs versus solving problems, and the potential impact of this understanding on future studies in applied or pure mathematics and theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant expresses disappointment over mediocre grades despite engaging with mathematical proofs, questioning their value in improving performance.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may stem from focusing too much on reading proofs rather than actively solving problems.
  • One participant acknowledges familiarity with problem-solving but seeks a deeper understanding of the underlying mathematics, indicating a desire for a balance between proofs and practice.
  • A later reply emphasizes the difference between calculus and higher-level mathematics, advocating for proof-based courses to gain a foundational understanding of mathematical concepts.
  • Another participant indicates a plan to study real analysis after completing calculus, suggesting an interest in pursuing a deeper mathematical understanding.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of reading proofs versus solving problems, with no consensus on the best approach to improve grades or understanding in mathematics.

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Some participants note the limitations of their current understanding and the potential disconnect between theoretical knowledge and practical application in exams.

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Students in physics or mathematics who are grappling with the balance between theoretical understanding and practical problem-solving, particularly those considering advanced studies in these fields.

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I'm a physics major a bit of inclination to mathematics. The semester just ended, and I didn't particularly have a bad one. It's just I had a really mediocre grade after the semester, I'm a bit disappointed since while I'm busy reading through the proofs it seems it didn't really do me much good to make my grades better.

I'm actually planning to go in either applied or pure math, or if I'm sticking in physics I'd go into the more theoretical route. I wonder if all those proofs are going to pay off later?
 
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mathsciguy said:
I'm a bit disappointed since while I'm busy reading through the proofs it seems it didn't really do me much good to make my grades better.
Maybe I'm reading into that line too much but there's your problem. Math is about doing problems, not reading about the solutions.
 
Well yeah I guess you kinda nailed it. I know how to do most of the problems, I'm quite familiar that it's gotten quite boring. It's just that I don't want to mindlessly do the problems without at least having the familiarity of why they work or how the maths is constructed that way, hence why I keep reading the proofs as much as I can.

Now, come the examination day, I'm equipped with a few practice problems that I did. When I look at the paper, most of it seems doable but for some reason I just miss out some stuff that end up stripping me off some credit.

It seems that I know what my problems are and the thread is more like a 'rant thread' but I could sure appreciate more insights that anyone is willing to give me, especially the math guys.
 
mathsciguy said:
Well yeah I guess you kinda nailed it. I know how to do most of the problems, I'm quite familiar that it's gotten quite boring. It's just that I don't want to mindlessly do the problems without at least having the familiarity of why they work or how the maths is constructed that way, hence why I keep reading the proofs as much as I can.

Now, come the examination day, I'm equipped with a few practice problems that I did. When I look at the paper, most of it seems doable but for some reason I just miss out some stuff that end up stripping me off some credit.

It seems that I know what my problems are and the thread is more like a 'rant thread' but I could sure appreciate more insights that anyone is willing to give me, especially the math guys.

Math is a lot different (and better) than what you see in calculus. If you like proofs, take more proof-based math classes. Do two years of calc and then take real analysis. That's the beginning of real math. Some people say it's harder; but for a lot of people it's easier, because for the first time everything makes sense from the ground up. And it's all about the proofs.

So I'd say that if you like math, try not to be put off by calculus.
 
I've still got some calculus left for me. I'd be sure to study analysis after the calc series.
 

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