Can Metals and Nonmetals Form Covalent Bonds?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of bonding between metals and nonmetals, specifically questioning whether they can form covalent bonds in cases of low electronegativity differences. Participants explore the distinctions between ionic and covalent bonds and the relevance of traditional models in modern chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assertion that metals and nonmetals can only form ionic bonds, suggesting that polar and nonpolar covalent bonds may also be possible under certain conditions.
  • There is a claim that no bond is purely ionic or purely covalent, with examples like cesium fluoride and aluminum chloride illustrating varying degrees of ionic and covalent character.
  • One participant specifies that a non-polar covalent bond typically forms when the electronegativity difference between atoms is less than 0.5.
  • Another participant argues that the ionic versus covalent distinction is outdated and not used in serious chemistry discussions, advocating for modern bonding theories like Valence-Bond theory and Molecular Orbital theory.
  • There is a critique of high school chemistry education for perpetuating outdated models and arbitrary classifications of bonds.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of traditional bonding models, with some advocating for their continued use while others argue they are outdated. There is no consensus on the applicability of these models in contemporary chemistry.

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The discussion highlights limitations in traditional models of bonding and the potential for confusion arising from outdated educational practices. Participants acknowledge the complexity of bonding beyond simple classifications.

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I often hear that metals and nonmetals can only form ionic bonds, but is this true when difference in electronegativity between the atoms is low? Shouldn't they be able to form polor covalent and nonpolar covalent bonds? Or do the electronegativity based predictions fail in these cases?
 
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There is no such thing as purely ionic nor purely covalent bond, it is always some mixture of both. Cesium fluoride is about as ionic as possible, but aluminum chloride is considered to be covalent.
 
ldv1452 said:
Shouldn't they be able to form polor covalent and nonpolar covalent bonds?
What does it take to form a non-polar covalent bond?
 
Gokul43201 said:
What does it take to form a non-polar covalent bond?

Electronegativity difference between the atoms of under .5
 
Look, (since you've posted 3 whole threads on this archaic topic) ionic vs covalent bonds are a century-old, pre-quantum way of looking at things.
Electronegativities were Linus Pauling's way of utilizing the then-new quantum theory to bring some semblance of theoretical justification to the old models. But once you get past high-school chemistry, then you learn the modern, more sophisticated models of bonding such as Valence-Bond theory and Molecular Orbital theory.

Nobody uses the ionic/covalent distinction for anything serious anymore. It's only applied (and then as a label more than a theory) for the simple and obvious cases you learn about when first learning this stuff.

You're basically trying to apply a model nobody uses anymore to describe something that model always failed at.
 
No one outside of high school teachers and textbooks, perhaps. I've seen high school chemistry courses still asking students to "list 6 differences between chemical change and physical change" or "classify the following compounds as ionic, polar covalent or non-polar covalent" ... and always, any distinction is based on some arbitrary ruling made by someone a century ago.
 
Thanks for the insights. It's good to get a perspective outside of the imitations of textbooks while learning these topics.
 

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