Can Multivariable Limits Be Simplified Easily?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of multivariable limits, particularly focusing on a limit involving two variables, x and a, along with a constant n. Participants explore algebraic manipulations and the application of L'Hôpital's rule in the context of evaluating the limit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with a limit involving two variables and shares their initial algebraic manipulation.
  • Another participant questions the identification of the variable in the limit, suggesting that only x is changing while a and n are constants.
  • A participant attempts to factor out (x-a) from the numerator and discusses the challenges faced in simplifying the expression further.
  • There is a correction regarding the factorization of x^n - a^n, with one participant asserting that it does not equal (x-a)(x^{n-1} - a^{n-1}) and providing the correct factorization.
  • Another participant confirms the correction and reiterates the proper factorization of x^n - a^n.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion regarding different formatting protocols used in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplification process, with multiple viewpoints on the correct factorization and the nature of the variables involved. Disagreement exists regarding the algebraic manipulations and interpretations of the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of variables and constants in the limit, as well as the steps involved in the algebraic simplification.

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Good evening! Could anybody help me with this limit?

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I have a problem when there are two variables. The only thing I did was that:

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but I don't know if it was helpful. Thank you!
 
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What is the variable in the limit symbol?

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goody said:
Good evening! Could anybody help me with this limit?

View attachment 10126
I have a problem when there are two variables. The only thing I did was that:

View attachment 10129,
but I don't know if it was helpful. Thank you!

actually, factoring out $(x-a)$ in the numerator yields ...

$\dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1} + x^{n-2}a + x^{n-3}a^2 + ... + xa^{n-2} + a^{n-1} - na^{n-1})}{(x-a)^2}$

I played with the algebra to see if I could get the other $(x-a)$ factor in the denominator to divide out ... no joy, yet.

So, starting again ...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \dfrac{(x^n-a^n) - na^{n-1}(x-a)}{(x-a)^2}$

using L'Hopital ...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \dfrac{nx^{n-1} - na^{n-1}}{2(x-a)}$

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \dfrac{n(x^{n-1} - a^{n-1})}{2(x-a)}$

L'Hopital again ...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \dfrac{n(n-1)(x^{n-2})}{2} = \dfrac{n(n-1)(a^{n-2})}{2}$
 
goody said:
Good evening! Could anybody help me with this limit?

View attachment 10126
I have a problem when there are two variables.
No, there aren't. There are three symbols, x, a, and n. But only x is changing, it is going to a. a and n are constants. Only x is a variable.
The only thing I did was that:
View attachment 10129,
but I don't know if it was helpful. Thank you!
No. x^n- a^n is NOT (x- a)(x^{n-1}- a^{n-1}. If you multiply the right side of that you get x^n- a^{n-1}x^n- ax^{n-1}+ a^n. x^n- a^n= (x- a)(x^{n-1}+ ax^{n-2}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ a^{n-2}x+ a^{n-1}.
 
For Country Boy, "tex" tags don't work. Dollar signs and MATH tags still work.

Quoting the last part of your post ...

No. $x^n- a^n$ is NOT $(x- a)(x^{n-1}- a^{n-1})$.
If you multiply the right side of that you get $x^n- a^{n-1}x^n- ax^{n-1}+ a^n$.

$x^n- a^n= (x- a)(x^{n-1}+ ax^{n-2}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ a^{n-2}x+ a^{n-1})$.
 
Thank you. I am on entirely too many boards with too many different protocols!
 

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