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Does a proof by counterexample belong to direct or indirect type of proof?
The discussion revolves around the question of whether multivariate non-negative polynomials can always be expressed as a sum of squares. Participants explore the implications of proof techniques, particularly in the context of historical contributions from mathematicians like Hilbert and Motzkin.
Participants express differing views on the classification of proofs, with no consensus reached on whether proof by counterexample is direct or indirect. The historical interpretations of Hilbert's and Motzkin's contributions are acknowledged, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of these proofs.
The discussion highlights the complexities of proof classification and the historical context of mathematical conjectures, with references to specific mathematical techniques and the evolution of understanding in this area.
Wow, an excellent answer! Thank you...StoneTemplePython said:Something less abstract may help.
Suppose you're a great mathematician at the end of the 1800s and you show any polynomial with a single variable and real nonnegative coefficients can be written as a sum of squares. You conjecture, what about said polynomial except 2 variables or 3 or ... i.e. is it true that multivariate non-negative polynomial can always be written as a sum of squares?
Hilbert answered this as definitively "no" in 1888 using a lot of powerful analytical machinery but bit he didn't give an example.
About 80 years later Motzkin gave the first (very simple) example of a 2 variable non-negative polynomial that can't be written as a sum of squares. (The proof merely needs ##GM \leq AM##.) People would generally say he directly showed the conjecture to be false by a single example, whereas Hilbert's approach was indirect.
Put differently:
Hilbert showed that these 'rule breaker' polynomials must exist. (Indirect.)
Motzkin directly proved they do exist with a simple example. (Direct.)