Can Nonlinear ODEs Like F''+F'*F'-k*F=0 Be Solved Analytically?

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The discussion revolves around the analytical solvability of the nonlinear ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by F'' + F'*F' - k*F = 0, where k is a positive constant. Participants explore the potential for analytical solutions, methods of reformulating the equation, and the implications of nonlinear dynamics.

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  • One participant inquires about the existence of an analytical solution for the given nonlinear ODE.
  • Another participant suggests that while an analytic function may satisfy the equation, a traditional calculus method for obtaining an exact solution is unlikely due to the nature of nonlinear differential equations.
  • A reformulation of the equation into a first-order system is proposed, introducing new variables F = u and F' = v, leading to a system of equations that could potentially simplify the analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of a derived equation related to the first integral, with a request for further clarification on the steps taken to arrive at that equation.
  • A participant explains the concept of a first integral and its relevance to the system, but later acknowledges a mistake in their previous reasoning regarding the derivation of a specific equation.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of analytical solutions, with some suggesting that traditional methods may not apply to nonlinear equations. There is no consensus on the validity of the derived equations or the approach to finding a solution.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of first integrals in the context of nonlinear systems.

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Hello,

How to solve the equation as follows:
F''+F'*F'-k*F=0, where k is a constant and k>0

Is there any analytical solution?
 
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Certainly, there exist an analytic function that satisfies the equation. If by "analytical solution" you mean, rather, that there is a calculus method for getting an exact solution, I would suspect "no" simply because "almost all" non-linear differential equations cannot be solved that way.
 
Your equation is equivalent to a first-order system, if we let [tex]F = u[/tex] and [tex]F' = v[/tex]:
[tex]\begin{cases}\dot{u} = v \\ \dot{v} = ku-v^2\end{cases}[/tex]

From there you can quite easily find a first integral and then separate variables in the second equation:

[tex]\begin{cases}\dot{u} = v \\ \dot{v}^2 = v^4 + kv^2-kE\end{cases}[/tex]

Where E is a constant determined by the initial conditions.

edit: the function I found is not a first integral :/
 
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Matthaeus said:
Your equation is equivalent to a first-order system, if we let [tex]F = u[/tex] and [tex]F' = v[/tex]:
[tex]\begin{cases}\dot{u} = v \\ \dot{v} = ku-v^2\end{cases}[/tex]

From there you can quite easily find a first integral and then separate variables in the second equation:

[tex]\begin{cases}\dot{u} = v \\ \dot{v}^2 = v^4 + kv^2-kE\end{cases}[/tex]

Where E is a constant determined by the initial conditions.

Thanks for your reply.
While I cannot see how you obtain the fourth equation: [tex]\dot{v} ^2 = v^4 + kv^2-kE\[/tex]
Would you please support more details?
 
I assumed you were familiar with the definition of first integral. A first integral for the system [tex]y' = g(y), g : D \subseteq \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^n[/tex] is a [tex]C^1[/tex] scalar function [tex]E : D \rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/tex] constant on every solution of the system. In other words, if [tex]\phi : I \rightarrow D[/tex] is a solution of the system, [tex]E(\phi(t)) = \mathrm{const.} \quad \forall t \in I[/tex].

It follows from the definition that the gradient of E is everywhere normal to the field g:
[tex]\nabla E(y) \cdot g(y) = 0 \quad \forall y \in D[/tex].

In your equation, [tex]g = (v,ku-v^2)[/tex]. A field normal to that is [tex]f = (-ku+v^2,v)[/tex]. The problem is, the equation I wrote yesterday is wrong because it is not so obvious to find a primitive of a conservative field parallel to this field f. I was too much in a hurry to check, sorry ;)
 

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