Can one derive the approximate ratio between space and material in a ball

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The discussion revolves around deriving the approximate ratio between the space and material in a ball constructed from an incompressible string. The focus includes theoretical considerations of geometry and volume calculations, as well as the arrangement of the string within the ball.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the volume of the string and the ball to find the ratio of space to material, using the formulas for the volumes of a cylinder and a sphere.
  • Another participant questions whether the string is wound randomly or in a precise pattern, suggesting that this could affect the calculations.
  • A participant indicates a desire to derive a relation between the variables B (ball diameter), s (string diameter), and l (length of string) to simplify the problem.
  • One participant describes a method of constructing the sphere layer by layer, with the string spiraling outward in each layer to minimize space.
  • Another participant seeks advice on setting up parametric equations for a 3D representation of the ball of string, expressing difficulty in transitioning from 2D to 3D modeling.
  • A suggestion is made that knot theory might provide insights or methods relevant to the problem at hand.

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Participants express various approaches and considerations regarding the problem, but no consensus is reached on a specific method or solution. Multiple competing views and methods remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the arrangement of the string and its implications on the calculations. The discussion also lacks clarity on how to effectively transition from 2D to 3D modeling in this context.

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Individuals interested in mathematical modeling, geometry, and the application of knot theory in physical constructs may find this discussion relevant.

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Can one derive the approximate ratio between space and material in a ball with diameter B, wound of incompressible string with diameter s, where B>>s?
 
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Would the string be randomly tangled, or wound in a precise pattern?
 
Here's the easy way: knowing the length, l, of string used, calculate its volume as \pi s^2l. The volume of the ball is (4/3)\pi B^3. The "amount" of string is \pi s^2l and the "amount" of air is (4/3)\pi B^3- \pi s^2l.
 
I was looking for an (approximate) relation between B, s and l so that only the variables B and s would be needed to solve the problem. The string would be wound so as to minimize the space within.
 
Also, string is taut.
 
I would build the sphere layer by layer, in each layer the string spiraling out to form a circle with small thickness. Every layer follow the "grooves" of the spiral in the lower one.
 
Do any of you have any suggestions as to how I might setup parametric equations for a ball of string?

For an Archimedes spiral it is easy but when I move to 3D I get lost.

I would like to plot my ball of string in matlab. I'm happy to plot the string as a space curve (I don't need to show the string's diameter,

Actually my real goal is to fill 3D space with an expanding search path. Akin to spiral search in 2D.

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Perhaps knot theory could help?
 

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