Can Particles Really Pass Through Walls in the Quantum World?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum tunneling, specifically whether particles can pass through walls or each other, as presented in a series on quantum physics. Participants explore the implications of this idea in both theoretical and practical contexts, questioning the validity of claims made in popular science media.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the idea of a person pushing against a wall for billions of years leading to the possibility of passing through it is implausible, equating it to a lottery with extremely low odds.
  • Others highlight that the concept of particles passing through each other does not apply in the same way as matter and antimatter annihilating upon collision, suggesting a misunderstanding of quantum mechanics.
  • A participant notes that quantum tunneling refers to particles passing through potential barriers rather than through other particles, indicating a distinction that needs clarification.
  • Some express skepticism about the feasibility of quantum tunneling for macroscopic objects, emphasizing the minuscule probabilities involved.
  • There is a reiteration that while the probability of quantum tunneling exists, it is so small that it is practically negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications and interpretations of quantum tunneling, with some questioning the validity of the claims made in the series and others attempting to clarify the concepts involved. No consensus is reached regarding the practical application of these quantum principles to macroscopic objects.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of quantum tunneling and its comparison to classical physics concepts, indicating a need for further exploration of the topic.

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I watch a series on quantum world.
The host said particles can pass through each others.
And then he pushed a wall and said if he keep on pushing for billion of years, there will be possibilities he will pass through the wall.

We have more than 7 billions people in this world. I never heard that somebody fingers ever pass through any object.
I think the possibility is nil
 
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One person pushing on a wall for 7 billion years is not the same as 7 billion people pushing on a wall for 1 year.
If though you did hear of one person's fingers passing through a wall, it would not be believable, and would be considered a magic trick.
The host, or progam, was trying to expand the audiences' mind about quantum physics, albeit in a non-verifiable fashion. I suspect he gave no explanation for why billions of years was chosen over millions or trillions of years.

If you consider that a mole of substance is 6.02214179(30)×10^23 elementary particles and your hand weighs about 500 grams then you are looking at 10^25 particles in your hand that would have to 'pass through' a corresponding number of particles in the wall, all at the same time ( in unison).

so yeah, nil.
 
Well , if particles can pass through each other, then how come when an anti-matter and matter collide , they annihilate and won't pass through each other.
 
Karimspencer said:
Well , if particles can pass through each other, then how come when an anti-matter and matter collide , they annihilate and won't pass through each other.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Tunneling means that a particle went through a POTENTIAL BARRIER. It does not mean that it went through another particle!

Zz.
 
Oh well , i guess i misunderstood.
 
azizlwl said:
I watch a series on quantum world.
The host said particles can pass through each others.
And then he pushed a wall and said if he keep on pushing for billion of years, there will be possibilities he will pass through the wall.

We have more than 7 billions people in this world. I never heard that somebody fingers ever pass through any object.
I think the possibility is nil

The key is to understand that there is a possibility of him passing through the wall. It is kind of like playing the lottery, but with odds so far against you that you have practically no hope of ever winning. The probability of a person quantum tunneling through a wall and appearing on the other side fully intact is so small that I don't think I have enough room to put all the zeroes in this post. (A rough estimate, but you get my point I hope) So while it is unbelievably small, it is not exactly zero.
 
Karimspencer said:
Well , if particles can pass through each other, then how come when an anti-matter and matter collide , they annihilate and won't pass through each other.

The term "collide" isn't very useful at the quantum scale. Things are described much differently in quantum mechanics than they are in classical physics.
 
Drakkith said:
The key is to understand that there is a possibility of him passing through the wall. It is kind of like playing the lottery, but with odds so far against you that you have practically no hope of ever winning. The probability of a person quantum tunneling through a wall and appearing on the other side fully intact is so small that I don't think I have enough room to put all the zeroes in this post. (A rough estimate, but you get my point I hope) So while it is unbelievably small, it is not exactly zero.

Thanks. It is unbelievably small.
 

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