Can PEG waterproof wood without altering its appearance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of various waterproofing methods for wood, specifically focusing on the use of polyethylene glycol (PEG) and wax coatings. Participants explore different materials and their properties, including environmental safety and aesthetic impacts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a wax mixture of beeswax and paraffin to waterproof wood, questioning its effectiveness in preventing wood expansion in water.
  • Another participant agrees that a thick waterproof layer could protect wood from water ingress but raises concerns about the wax melting in warm temperatures.
  • There is a discussion about alternative waterproofing substances, with one participant mentioning tar and bitumen as less toxic options compared to synthetic varnishes.
  • A participant introduces PEG as a non-toxic option that can impregnate wood, altering its appearance to resemble plastic, and notes that achieving true waterproofing is challenging.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential toxicity of some varnishes and the need for adequate ventilation during application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and safety of various waterproofing methods. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the use of PEG, wax, and other materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of waterproofing wood and the challenges associated with maintaining its appearance while ensuring effective protection. Concerns about the environmental impact and safety of certain materials are also noted.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to woodworkers, DIY enthusiasts, and individuals looking for environmentally friendly waterproofing solutions for wood.

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Hello I found a recipe for making a type of waterproof wax using beeswax and paraffin wax, and I plan to coat this type of wax with a piece of wood. Does anyone know with this type of wax, after coating the piece of wood, will the wax still prevent the wood from expanding in water?
 
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It should be possible to completely cover your wood with a thick enough waterproof layer so that water cannot get into the wood at all.
Your wax recipe might work, all waxes are insoluble in water, but you might find that in warm temperature the wax melts off of the wood.
Protection of wood from water has always been necessary for wooden boats, and for that purpose more durable form of protection are traditionally applied.
Bitumen and varnishes are common, and varnishes are also often applied to wooden furniture to protect it from water damage.
 
rootone said:
It should be possible to completely cover your wood with a thick enough waterproof layer so that water cannot get into the wood at all.
Your wax recipe might work, all waxes are insoluble in water, but you might find that in warm temperature the wax melts off of the wood.
Protection of wood from water has always been necessary for wooden boats, and for that purpose more durable form of protection are traditionally applied.
Bitumen and varnishes are common, and varnishes are also often applied to wooden furniture to protect it from water damage.
Do you know of any other environmental substances that can be used as waterproof coating without effusing/deriving from any toxic chemicals.
 
Things like tar and bitumen are derivatives of naturally occurring substances and not particularly toxic.
Consumer grade stuff will have been somewhat refined, but nothing dangerous added to it.
Tar made from coal could contain some trace amounts of heavy metals though, so definitely you don't want to ingest it, though skin contact should not be a risk.
Varnishes on the other hand are mostly synthetic and may include solvents of which some could be risky either as a fire hazard or just plain toxic fumes.if there is not adequate ventilation while you are working with it.
 
Polyethylene glycol 1000 (PEG) is non-toxic. If you immerse wood in the stuff for a period of several weeks, it will become impregnated with the the stuff, and no longer exchanges water vapor (or liquid water) with the environment. It no longer looks like wood wood, it looks more like plastic, IMO.

Reference: get a copy of B Hoadley 'Understanding Wood'. It explains this process in detail. Plus, 'waterproofing' wood is hard to do. Some very thick bar top finishes actually completely seal the wood, like PEG, but are a thick, gorpy goo that requires a catalyst and special cleanup. And look like, well, a bar top. Cheaper, too. None of this stuff is bargain basement material.

http://woodworker.com/crystal-sheen-kit-mssu-293-001.asp

And note: when you use an epoxy finish that is considered 'food safe' when cured, it still may emit VOC's during curing. Once completely cured it is no longer a problem. @rootone cautions are something to note with most wood finishes, even some water-base ones.
 

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