Can physics function without math?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of studying physics without mathematics, questioning how ancient ancestors could engage with natural phenomena without the advanced mathematical tools available today. Participants argue that mathematics is essential for modeling and making testable predictions in physics, emphasizing that even basic comparisons involve mathematical reasoning. Historical references highlight that significant mathematical concepts were developed long ago, suggesting that ancient thinkers, like the Greeks, were capable of complex reasoning despite lacking modern tools. The conversation also touches on the evolution of physics from natural philosophy and the necessity of mathematics in contemporary physics, asserting that physics cannot function effectively without it. The thread concludes with a debate on the relationship between mathematics and physics, with some arguing that mathematics can exist independently, while others assert its practical applications are intertwined with physical sciences.
  • #31
Physics as we know it cannot function without maths IMO.
The more interesting question is perhaps- "can maths function without physics?" It can but then what will be its use? It will just become a hobby with no effect on real life (like chess). So maths as we know it can't function without physics either!
 
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consciousness said:
Physics as we know it cannot function without maths IMO.
The more interesting question is perhaps- "can maths function without physics?" It can but then what will be its use? It will just become a hobby with no effect on real life (like chess). So maths as we know it can't function without physics either!

You're forgetting about government, business, banking, investment and industry that often use math in their daily work much of which is not related to physics.
 
  • #33
jedishrfu said:
You're forgetting about government, business, banking, investment and industry that often use math in their daily work much of which is not related to physics.

You are right but I was talking about future advancements in mathematics. The new findings are not likely to be of much use in industries IMO.
 
  • #34
Dash-IQ said:
Can it ever be possible? I know it might make no sense at all, but think about it just a bit.
How could our ancestors study without proper math that we have today...
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post it(New here).

Physics just doesn't say "what does up, must come down". Physics must also say when and where it must come down. In other words, there is a qualitative and quantitative aspect of physics which makes it testable!

Without mathematics, you can't do both.

Zz.
 
  • #35
consciousness said:
You are right but I was talking about future advancements in mathematics. The new findings are not likely to be of much use in industries IMO.

Its good to have an opinion but better to reserve it. Remember when the US supercollider project was closed some of the physicists went to work for Wall St developing trading models.

http://guava.physics.uiuc.edu/~nigel/finance.html
 
  • #36
ZapperZ said:
Physics just doesn't say "what goes up, must come down".

Zz.

Neither would musicians ever get paid if they merely said those words. They have to sing them, to a nice tune as well :approve:
 
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  • #37
consciousness said:
Physics as we know it cannot function without maths IMO.
The more interesting question is perhaps- "can maths function without physics?" It can but then what will be its use? It will just become a hobby with no effect on real life (like chess). So maths as we know it can't function without physics either!

I'm not quite following. You've implied that something must be practically beneficial in order to function. Mathematics still functions whether there are practical applications for it or not.
 
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