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When can the potential be in a negative value especially when it come to atoms and bind formation?
The discussion revolves around the concept of potential energy, particularly whether it can be negative at infinity, and how it relates to atomic binding and forces such as gravity and magnetism. Participants explore the implications of setting potential energy to zero at infinity and the conditions under which potential energy can be negative.
Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of potential energy at infinity and the implications of setting it to zero. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the best approach to defining potential energy in various contexts.
Limitations include the dependence on the choice of reference points for potential energy and the unresolved nature of how to accurately describe a body’s position relative to a magnetic field in terms of potential energy.
Yeah yeah I got your point that potential energy is an arbitrary value, but but if we consider a metal is out of a Magnet's magnetic field it's potential should be zero but saying the potential is zero is a little bit misleading as it could be in the field and it's potential is still zero as it's an arbitrary value, how can I precisely say that the body is out of the field in terms of potential energy ?Bandersnatch said:Potential energy can have negative value whenever you like, since the formula includes the integration constant that can be set to an arbitrary value. That's why we usually only concern ourselves with the difference between potential energies at some two points in the field(ΔU).
If you want to know when is the difference in PE negative, then it depends on the direction of the force and the direction of displacement.
When the force is attractive, like with gravity, strong nuclear force, or Coulomb force for odd charges, AND the displacement is towards the centre of the field, then the ΔU is negative. Meaning, there is a release of energy as the objects comprising the system get closer.
If the displacement is away from the centre of the field, the ΔU is positive - it requires input of energy to move the objects apart.
In a repulsive force field(e.g., like charges repelling) it is the other way around.
What is meant by zero at infinity ?Bandersnatch said:Just set the potential energy to be zero at infinity.
ElmorshedyDr said:What is meant by zero at infinity ?