Can Proton-Electron Fusion Create a Neutron?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of proton-electron fusion to create a neutron, specifically examining the reaction where an electron is bombarded onto a proton. Participants explore the conditions under which this reaction might occur, the definitions of fusion versus electron capture, and the energy requirements involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether bombarding a proton with an electron can lead to neutron formation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the reaction e + p → n + ν requires an outgoing neutrino and is classified as scattering rather than fusion.
  • A participant references the concept of inverse beta decay as relevant to the discussion.
  • There is a discussion about the energy requirements for the reaction, noting that it is endothermic and requires additional energy to occur.
  • One participant suggests that an electron with around 800 KeV could potentially yield a neutron when hitting a proton, raising questions about the feasibility of using electron energy in this context.
  • Another participant confirms that the reaction can take place but prompts for clarification on the underlying mechanism.
  • The mechanism is suggested to involve weak interaction, with a reference to inverse beta decay as a hint.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the reaction can be classified as fusion or electron capture, and there is no consensus on the mechanism or energy requirements necessary for the reaction to occur.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about energy thresholds and the definitions of nuclear reactions, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of energy states and the classification of the reaction remain unresolved.

Relena
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Is this reaction possible , i mean bombarding a 1H target with an electron to form a neutron

that's all what i want to know
 
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Not exactly. The reaction [itex]e + p \rightarrow n + \nu[/itex] can occur, but you need the outgoing neutrino. This would be called scattering and not fusion.
 
Google 'inverse beta decay' and you'll find your answer. :smile:
 
OK

the reaction it self to be defined as fusion or electron capture that's the point
I've read on wikipedia
If the energy difference between the parent atom and the daughter atom is less than 1.022 MeV, positron emission is forbidden and electron capture is the sole decay mode.

so the reaction p + e− → n + νe needs additonal energy to occur

i .e the mass of electron and proton still needs about 782.33 KeV to yield a neutron and an electron antineutrino

so the reaction can never generate energy as it is endothermic

but can the energy of electron be used , i mean an electron of around 800 KeV hitting a proton would this yield a neutron?

thanks a lot
 
Relena said:
so the reaction can never generate energy as it is endothermic

but can the energy of electron be used , i mean an electron of around 800 KeV hitting a proton would this yield a neutron?

The reaction can take place, if that is what you are asking.
 
malawi_glenn said:
The reaction can take place, if that is what you are asking.

Ok but what's the mechanism?
 
Relena said:
Ok but what's the mechanism?

weak interaction, you got the hint "google 'inverse beta decay'"
 

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