Can Quantum Mechanics Ket and Bra Methods Solve Scalar Equations?

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The discussion revolves around using quantum mechanics' ket and bra methods to solve scalar equations involving two states, |m⟩ and |n⟩. The initial approach suggests combining the given equations to derive a scalar answer, with a focus on normalizing |n⟩ to find the unknown constant β. It is clarified that the bra and ket notation was incorrectly ordered in the original post, and the relationship between |m⟩ and |n⟩ is crucial, particularly their orthogonality. The user confirms that the states are orthogonal and is currently working on solving the equation ⟨n|m⟩ = 0 to progress further. The conversation highlights the importance of normalization and orthogonality in quantum mechanics calculations.
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Homework Statement
##\left|m\right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{A}}\binom{1-2i}{\alpha} , \left|n\right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{14}}\binom{-3+2i}{\beta}##
Relevant Equations
Find unknown constants A, α and β, we know that β is real positive integer , α has both real and imaginary parts
Not really even sure how to approach this problem , I would guess if we need scalar answer we would need to combine these two given equations together but I'm unfamiliar with such methods, in the book there is methods to make a ket to a bra and then matrix part transposes and multiplies with the original while constant squares like:
##\left\langle m \right|\left|m\right\rangle = ({\frac{1}{\sqrt{A}}}^2)*\binom{1-2i}{\alpha}*(1-2i ,\alpha)##

Would that be an approach?
 
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Ugnius said:
Homework Statement: ##\left|m\right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{A}}\binom{1-2i}{\alpha} , \left|n\right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{14}}\binom{-3+2i}{\beta}##
Relevant Equations: Find unknown constants A, α and β, we know that β is real positive integer , α has both real and imaginary parts

Not really even sure how to approach this problem , I would guess if we need scalar answer we would need to combine these two given equations together but I'm unfamiliar with such methods, in the book there is methods to make a ket to a bra and then matrix part transposes and multiplies with the original while constant squares like:
##\left\langle m \right|\left|m\right\rangle = ({\frac{1}{\sqrt{A}}}^2)*\binom{1-2i}{\alpha}*(1-2i ,\alpha)##

Would that be an approach?
If you normalize ##\mid n \rangle##, then yes, you can find ##\beta##. But you would write this as
##\langle n \mid n \rangle = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{14}} \begin{pmatrix} -3-2i & \beta^* \end{pmatrix} \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{14}} \begin{pmatrix} -3+2i \\ \beta \end{pmatrix}##
(You wrote your bra and ket in the wrong order for ##\langle m \mid m \rangle## in your OP.)

We know that ##\beta## is real, so ##\beta^* = \beta##, and you can go from there.

To find A and ##\alpha## we need to know something about how ##\mid m \rangle## and ##\mid n \rangle## relate to each other. Are they orthogonal? ie. ##\langle n \mid m \rangle = 0##?

-Dan
 
Thank you.
They are orthogonal yes , I'm brute forcing the solution right now , I solved for \beta. Now I need to solve \langle n \mid m \rangle = 0 and i'll get back to you for confirmation if I did it correctly
 
I want to find the solution to the integral ##\theta = \int_0^{\theta}\frac{du}{\sqrt{(c-u^2 +2u^3)}}## I can see that ##\frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} = A +Bu+Cu^2## is a Weierstrass elliptic function, which can be generated from ##\Large(\normalsize\frac{du}{d\theta}\Large)\normalsize^2 = c-u^2 +2u^3## (A = 0, B=-1, C=3) So does this make my integral an elliptic integral? I haven't been able to find a table of integrals anywhere which contains an integral of this form so I'm a bit stuck. TerryW

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