Can Quantum Physics Confirm the Correct Interpretation of GHZ and GRW?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for confirming interpretations of quantum mechanics, specifically the GHZ (Greenberger-Horne-Zeilinger) and GRW (Ghirardi-Rimini-Weber) theories. Participants explore whether these interpretations can be validated through experimental means or if they remain philosophical in nature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether any interpretation of quantum mechanics can be confirmed scientifically or if it is inherently subjective.
  • Others argue that while interpretations cannot be directly confirmed, they can influence scientific thinking and lead to testable results.
  • One participant suggests that if two interpretations predict different experimental outcomes, then an experiment could potentially eliminate one interpretation, though it would not confirm the other.
  • There is mention of Bell's theorem and its implications for interpretations of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the EPR (Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen) argument and its relation to determinism.
  • Another participant raises the question of whether the GHZ theory is being confused with GRW, seeking clarification on the specific interpretations being discussed.
  • Speculation about testing the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) is introduced, with references to potential future experiments that may or may not be feasible.
  • Concerns are expressed about the hypothetical nature of proposed tests for MWI and the reliance on technology that may not exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether interpretations of quantum mechanics can be confirmed or remain purely philosophical. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the nature of these interpretations and their testability.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific testable predictions for the interpretations discussed, which contributes to the uncertainty in the conversation.

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Could physics ever be able to confirm that a certain interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct or is the matter entirely philosophical and thus doomed to the depths of subjectivity?
 
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An interpretation as such cannot be directly confirmed by strict scientific methods, but it can influence a style of thinking that eventually leads to results that can be directly confirmed by such methods.
 
If two interpretations make different predictions about the results of some experiment, then an experiment would be able to show that one or the other was wrong. (We'd also stop calling them "interpretations" because an interpretation is, by definition, not testable). That wouldn't necessarily tell is which one was right, but at least it would eliminate a wrong one.

It can happen; the EPR suggestion that QM emerges from some underlying deterministic and local theory was a plausible interpretation until Bell found that it implied Bell's inequality and experiments showed that Bell's inequality is violated. Today GRW makes different predictions than standard QM; in principle these are testable although the effects are far too small to observe in any practical experiment.

However, unless we have a specific testable prediction in mind (and none are known today), the discussion remains futile. Yes, if we could find a testable difference we could test it... Yes, we can't prove that we'll never find such a thing... But we don't know of any today, which leaves us with nothing to talk about.

[Note - edited to change "GHZ" to "GRW" which is what I meant. Thanks to demystifier for catching this]
 
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In another thread it was mentioned an extremely speculative way to experimentally test MWI, but I didn't understand what it involved.
 
ddd123 said:
In another thread it was mentioned an extremely speculative way to experimentally test MWI, but I didn't understand what it involved.
That sounds extremely interesting; could you please provide a link to the thread?
 
Einstein's Cat said:
That sounds extremely interesting; could you please provide a link to the thread?

Quoting it directly, you can click on the arrow to go to the thread:

secur said:
... and Deutsch has published on how the MWI could be tested. He argues that in all likelihood the test could be performed within the next 100 years.

- looked that up too, it depends on technology that doesn't exist and may never. Also, if such tests are performed, CI'ers can still fit the results into their view. Admittedly if Quantum Computing, or "Conscious AGI", ever realized all its promises (or, lies, depending on your view), and it turned out 100% as Deutsch envisions, MWI would win. For now, however, his test is too hypothetical to change anyone's opinion (in my opinion).
 
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