Can |R| be uncountable but not a Continuum?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the real numbers and the concept of the continuum, specifically whether the cardinality of the real numbers (|R|) can be uncountable but not equivalent to the continuum. Participants explore various mathematical and philosophical implications of these ideas, touching on boundaries, infinite magnitudes, and the relationship between points and lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a member of the real numbers with infinitely many digits does not reach 0, suggesting the existence of unclosed intervals.
  • There is a claim that in the middle of any quantum leap, there are exactly 0 points, leading to the assertion that there are no points in the continuum.
  • Others argue that the continuum can be viewed as a connector between events rather than a container, challenging traditional notions of points and lines.
  • One participant emphasizes that mathematical concepts like limits and convergence do not rely on human intuition but on proofs, suggesting that the continuum's properties can be understood without fully specifying every term.
  • A later reply questions the existence of a member with infinite magnitude, asserting that all real numbers are finite unless the real number system is extended to include infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of infinity, the properties of the continuum, and the implications for the cardinality of real numbers. No consensus is reached, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of terms like "magnitude" and "continuum," which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also involves unresolved mathematical concepts and assumptions about the nature of infinity and continuity.

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Hi selfAdjoint,

In general, through the structural point of view, we have two levels
of XOR retio:

Level A is: ({} XOR {.}) or ({} XOR {_})

Level B is: {.} XOR {_}

3) A distance somehow would involve a partial state where the set for a number would in one view be empty but in another view have members, whic is a contradiction.

Does this represent your idea?

No it doas not. Through my point of view there are 3 structural types of sets:

{}, {.}, {__}

In Common Math there are only 2 set's types: {}, {.}


The 3 types:
-----------

{} = The Emptiness = 0 = Content does not exist.

Let power 0 be the simplest level of existence of some set's content.

{__} = The Continuum = An indivisible element = 0^0 = Content exists (from the structural point of view, there are exactly 0 elements in the Continuum, so its base value = 0, But because it exists (unlike the emptiness) its full notation = 0^0).

(You can break an infinitely long continuum infinitely many times, but always you will find an invariant structural state of {.___.} which is a connector between any two break points.)

{...} = The Discreteness = Infinitely many elements = [oo]^0 = Content exists.

Any transformation from {} to {__} or {...} is based on phase transition, because we have 0(=does not exist) to 1(=exists) transition.

So, from a structural point of view, we have a quantum-like leap.


Now, let us explore the two basic structural types that exist.

0^0 = [oo]^0 = 1 and we can see that we can't distinguish between
Continuum and Discreteness by their Quantity property.

But by their Structural property {__} ~= {...} .

From the above we can learn that the Structure concept have
more information than the Quantity concept in Math language.
 
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