Can |R| be uncountable but not a Continuum?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the set of real numbers |R| and the continuum C, asserting that |R| is less than C. Participants argue that a member of R with infinitely many digits cannot reach 0, leading to the conclusion that there exists an unclosed gap in any segment defined by R. The conversation introduces concepts such as quantum leaps and XOR ratios between lines and points, ultimately suggesting that the continuum serves as a connector rather than a container of points.

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Hi selfAdjoint,

In general, through the structural point of view, we have two levels
of XOR retio:

Level A is: ({} XOR {.}) or ({} XOR {_})

Level B is: {.} XOR {_}

3) A distance somehow would involve a partial state where the set for a number would in one view be empty but in another view have members, whic is a contradiction.

Does this represent your idea?

No it doas not. Through my point of view there are 3 structural types of sets:

{}, {.}, {__}

In Common Math there are only 2 set's types: {}, {.}


The 3 types:
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{} = The Emptiness = 0 = Content does not exist.

Let power 0 be the simplest level of existence of some set's content.

{__} = The Continuum = An indivisible element = 0^0 = Content exists (from the structural point of view, there are exactly 0 elements in the Continuum, so its base value = 0, But because it exists (unlike the emptiness) its full notation = 0^0).

(You can break an infinitely long continuum infinitely many times, but always you will find an invariant structural state of {.___.} which is a connector between any two break points.)

{...} = The Discreteness = Infinitely many elements = [oo]^0 = Content exists.

Any transformation from {} to {__} or {...} is based on phase transition, because we have 0(=does not exist) to 1(=exists) transition.

So, from a structural point of view, we have a quantum-like leap.


Now, let us explore the two basic structural types that exist.

0^0 = [oo]^0 = 1 and we can see that we can't distinguish between
Continuum and Discreteness by their Quantity property.

But by their Structural property {__} ~= {...} .

From the above we can learn that the Structure concept have
more information than the Quantity concept in Math language.
 
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