Can Refrigerators Have Greater Efficiency Than Theoretical Value?

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The discussion centers on the efficiency of refrigerators, specifically the coefficient of performance (COP) defined as n=Q/W, contrasting it with engine efficiency expressed as n=W/Q. The user calculates a COP of 18.5, while textbooks indicate real refrigerators typically have COPs of 4 or 5, leading to confusion about efficiency comparisons. It is clarified that the concept of percentage efficiency does not apply to refrigerators in the same way it does for engines. Instead, a real refrigerator's performance can be compared to that of a Carnot refrigerator to gauge its efficiency relative to an ideal model. Understanding these distinctions helps clarify the efficiency metrics for refrigeration systems.
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the efficiency of a fridge is given by n=Q/W but this is actually the coefficient of performance.

normally the efficiency of an engine is n= W/Q.

the result i get for the coefficient of performance is 18.5 and my textbook says real fridges have coefficients of 4 or 5. you would think one over this value would give the actual efficiency. but if you do this then the efficiency of real fridges is greater than the theoretical one.

I clearly don't understand something here. also, can i derive the specific solution for any engine/fridge from a general form?
 
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The measure of efficiency is always output/input. In the case of the engine, you're taking heat Q from the hot reservoir and produce work W, so the efficiency is W/Q. In the case of the refrigerator (no D in refrigerator!), you're doing work W for the goal of removing heat Q from the cold reservoir, so the coefficient of performance is Q/W.
 
that makes sense. so the idea of getting a percentage efficiency doesn't exist for a fridge?
 
and I was sure I'd spelt it wrong haha
 
Right. But you could compare a real refrigerator to a Carnot refrigerator working between the same two temperature reservoirs. The Carnot refrigerator would extract the most heat for a given amount of work, so the fraction Qreal/QCarnot could be seen as a percentage efficiency, in the sense it measures how close the real refrigerator gets to being an ideal one.
 
thats great, thanks
 

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