Can Refrigerators Have Greater Efficiency Than Theoretical Value?

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of refrigerators, specifically comparing the coefficient of performance (COP) of real refrigerators to theoretical values. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the COP and the efficiency of refrigerators versus engines.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the calculated COP of 18.5 seems to imply an efficiency greater than theoretical values, questioning the definitions and relationships between efficiency and COP. Some participants clarify the definitions of efficiency for engines and refrigerators, while others suggest comparing real refrigerators to ideal Carnot refrigerators to gauge performance.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications regarding the definitions of efficiency and COP. There is an exploration of how real refrigerators can be compared to theoretical models, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's confusion.

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The original poster mentions a specific textbook value for COP and expresses uncertainty about deriving specific solutions from general forms, indicating a potential gap in understanding the underlying principles.

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the efficiency of a fridge is given by n=Q/W but this is actually the coefficient of performance.

normally the efficiency of an engine is n= W/Q.

the result i get for the coefficient of performance is 18.5 and my textbook says real fridges have coefficients of 4 or 5. you would think one over this value would give the actual efficiency. but if you do this then the efficiency of real fridges is greater than the theoretical one.

I clearly don't understand something here. also, can i derive the specific solution for any engine/fridge from a general form?
 
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The measure of efficiency is always output/input. In the case of the engine, you're taking heat Q from the hot reservoir and produce work W, so the efficiency is W/Q. In the case of the refrigerator (no D in refrigerator!), you're doing work W for the goal of removing heat Q from the cold reservoir, so the coefficient of performance is Q/W.
 
that makes sense. so the idea of getting a percentage efficiency doesn't exist for a fridge?
 
and I was sure I'd spelt it wrong haha
 
Right. But you could compare a real refrigerator to a Carnot refrigerator working between the same two temperature reservoirs. The Carnot refrigerator would extract the most heat for a given amount of work, so the fraction Qreal/QCarnot could be seen as a percentage efficiency, in the sense it measures how close the real refrigerator gets to being an ideal one.
 
thats great, thanks
 

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