Can runoff from street runoff purify contaminated aquifers near the ocean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for runoff from street water to purify contaminated aquifers near the ocean, as well as the feasibility of using sand and other geological features to filter salt from seawater. Participants explore various aspects of aquifer management, desalination techniques, and the impact of local policies on water quality.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sand cannot filter salt from seawater, emphasizing that salts are dissolved rather than suspended.
  • One participant mentions the concept of vacuum distillation in desalination and questions the practical limits of boiling temperature reduction.
  • A participant describes the potential for clay beds to attract cations from seawater, but notes the low permeability and slow processes involved.
  • Another participant highlights that fresh water aquifers may exist beneath ocean shorelines, which can be replenished through proper land management practices.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of local policies on aquifer contamination and the management of stormwater runoff in California.
  • Some participants discuss the competition between fresh water and salty water in coastal aquifers, influenced by various environmental factors.
  • A later reply suggests that contaminated aquifers can be flushed with pure water from street runoff, though this practice is not commonly implemented in California.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of sand filtration for desalination and the management of aquifers. There is no consensus on the best methods for purifying contaminated aquifers or the impact of local policies on water quality.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of aquifer management, the dependence on local geological conditions, and unresolved questions regarding the efficiency of proposed techniques for water purification.

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If one digs a well near the ocean can the sand filter the salt out of ocean water? If so how far inland would one have to go?
 
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No. You can dig as far inland as you are able. The answer is still no.

Water from ground wells starts out largely as fresh water.

Sand filtration is used to separated suspended solids from water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_filter

The salts in seawater are dissolved, rather than suspended. It takes energy to extract the solutes (the salts) from the solvent (water).
 
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Interesting. I read a little more on the topic of desalination, particularly about vacuum distillation. How low can they manage to drop the boiling temperature to? I imagine that since we can create press machines that can exert enough pressure to create artificial diamonds We should be able to design reverse presses that can force near total vacuums.
 
The lower the pressure, the lower the boiling point. From a practical standpoint, the lowest pressure would correspond to the highest seawater temperature, say 90 degrees Fahrenheit (say 30 degrees C), so that you don't have to chill the incoming seawater, which becomes expensive.
 
There was one time when John Paton dug a freshwater well on the island of Aniwa. Others tried to do the same thing, but the water was bitter.
 
One might envisage a situation in which sea water passed through a clay bed. These will preferentially attract cations to their surfaces and inter-layer spaces. The problem is that permeability is very low, so it would take a geologically significant time to occur. It would also be difficult to imagine what drive mechanism could produce the necessary movement.
 
Re questions: "If one digs a well near the ocean
can the sand filter the salt out of ocean water?
If so how far inland would one have to go?"

Beach sand will not filter salt from the water but many
ocean shorelines have fresh water aquifers beneath them.
Where soils are permeable and aquifers slope to the
ocean this fresh water may extend far offshore.

Where landowners adopt the onsite retention techniques
strongly recommended by USA gencies, aquifers can be
refilled to push salt water out from beneath the land.

Where politicians reject this rainwater management mode,
as here in San Diego County and most of Southern
California, the "zero runoff" design mandated by State law
is not in use so salt water has encroached under beaches
and estuaries. Wells and reservoirs commonly run dry
in the summer and during droughts like the present one,
even though County rainfall is 22 times household usage.

Small islands can have plentiful fresh wellwater if they have
adequate rainfall, permeable soil and wise land managers
 
No. And if you dig further and further from the shore, you might find yourself on the other side of the island... (There it would be even worse than halfway through!) :biggrin:
 
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As hinted at by several replies, fresh water reservoirs are accumulated rain water which trickles down from the surface.

Below this fresh water zone the pore water is almost always brine, often referred to as connate water. This is sea water trapped with the sediments when the rock is formed.

At the sea shore contiguous high permeable sand bodies can be subject to competition between the surface rain accumulations and the salty sea encroachment due to various gradients of elevation, density, temperature, chemical concentration, etc. as wells as capillary forces/surface tensions.
 
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On-the-shelf tech will permit anyone to manage groundwater
to suit their needs. Over the past 60 years Fresno has shown
how a major aquifer that was contaminated can be flushed and
refilled with pure water derived from street runoff.
Beach sand aquifers can similarly be purified by diverting
runoff into upslope aquifers with due diligence.
This is rarely done in here in California because it has the
world's greatest concentration of civil engineers who focus
on protecting their job security by misleading clients into
approval of inaapropriate, extravagant and/or wholly
unnecessarhy programs and projects.

San Diego County's beaches are deeply contaminated because
its plentiful rainfall (1.35 trillion gallons annually) is channelled
to the ocean - at considerable expense - rather than being
detained to soak in and replenish aquifers. It's politicians are
kept ignorant of sensible options, choose between foolish ones.
Its 70 miles of shoreline present an excellent source of far
more pure water than it uses, needing only to have 2/3 of its
huge volume of rainfall percolated into soils so that it raises
the land water table to where underwater springs develop.
 

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