Can Sodium Ions in the Brain Be Excited with Electromagnetic Radiation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of exciting sodium ions in the brain using electromagnetic radiation to produce a visible yellow glow, similar to that observed in sodium-vapor lamps. Participants explore the conditions necessary for such excitation and visibility, touching on aspects of chemistry and physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether sodium ions in the brain can be excited by photons to produce a yellow glow, referencing sodium-vapor lamps.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the inquiry is about the visibility of the glow or the feasibility of the excitation itself.
  • A participant asserts that a sufficient concentration of sodium ions is necessary for visibility, suggesting that while excitation may occur, low concentrations would prevent a visible glow.
  • It is noted that the frequency of the radiation used is crucial, as it must correspond to the energy required for electron excitation to emit visible light.
  • A comparison is made to the appearance of yellow flames from sodium in laboratory settings, indicating that appropriate conditions must be met for excitation to yield visible light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and assumptions about the feasibility of producing a yellow glow from sodium ions in the brain, with no consensus reached on the practicality or implications of such an idea.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which sodium ion excitation would be visible, nor does it address the potential biological implications or safety concerns of such an experiment.

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Is it possible to excite the sodium ion in the brain with photon from electromagnetic radiation to create a yellow glow like the sodium-vapor lamp here? Please bear with me, I'm bad with Chemistry
 
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I will definitely help you, provided you tell me what exactly is that you want to know. Do you want to see a yellow glow coming from the brain, or do you want to know if it is possible?
 
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Right I want to see a yellow glow coming from the brain
 
I will help you as long as you promise not to do this to me. :nb):-p

So to actually "see" yellow light out of the brain, all you require is sufficiently large no of sodium ions. Sodium ion anywhere is the same. So if a sodium ion in a vapor lamp will give this, the sodium ion in our brain will too. But if the concentration of the ions is very less, then though the excitation happens, it may not be visible.

In addition, the light will also depend on the frequency of radiation you use. We have seen a yellow flame appearing from sodium in our labs using a Bunsen burner, but that is probably just the right "amount" of heat. Too less heat, and you won't see anything because the excitation of electron is not sufficient to release a photon whose wavelength corresponds to that of visible light. Same problem with a very high temperature.
 

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