Can some bright spark help me? Colour of Light vs Time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario in a science fiction story where two adjacent locations experience different rates of time flow. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on the behavior of light, particularly regarding redshift and the effects of gravitational fields on light as it transitions between these zones.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if time runs slower in one zone, light may also experience redshift when observed from the normal time zone, suggesting that the light's frequency would change due to the gravitational effects of a massive object.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of the scenario, indicating that for it to adhere to known physics, it would require extreme conditions, such as those near a neutron star.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the scientific validity of the scenario, suggesting it may be more appropriate for a fantasy narrative rather than a science fiction one.
  • A participant introduces the idea of a superconductive graviton dome as a potential mechanism for time dilation without the severe consequences associated with high gravity, although this is also viewed as unscientific by others.
  • Another participant suggests that if a species evolved in a cold environment, their slow movement could be a biological adaptation rather than a result of time dilation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing that the scenario poses significant challenges under current physical laws, while others propose alternative mechanisms that may allow for time dilation. No consensus is reached regarding the scientific plausibility of the original scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the proposed scenario, including the dependence on extreme gravitational conditions and the unresolved nature of how light behaves in such contexts. Participants also note the potential for biological adaptations that could mimic slow movement without invoking time dilation.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers and creators interested in speculative fiction, particularly those exploring themes of time, light, and physics in their narratives.

AlanMC
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I'm writing a Science Fiction story which has one place where time runs at normal speed, and another place next to it, where time runs at a much slower speed. If you stand in the normal place and look into the slow place, you will see people moving around as if in slow motion.

But what would happen to light?
Would photons in the slow zone actually slow down?
When photons leave the slow time zone and enter the normal time zone, would the wavelength of the light expand? Would it then seem that things inside the slow zone are reddish, as if looking through a red filter? Or would it seem normal?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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If you don't care about the laws of physics then you can make up whatever answer you like. If you do care about the laws of physics then the only way your scenario can work is if the "slow" place is something like a neutron star with a humongous gravitational field. In this case, the inhabitants would have to be pretty unbelievable creatures to exist in a gravity field large enough to exhibit the characteristics you describe. They most certainly could not be anything like humans. If that's how you want to set it up, the light from the "slow" place would be severely red-shifted. That is, it would arrive at the "fast" place traveling at c, as light always does, but its frequency would be shifted.

EDIT: Also, the two places would have to be quite a distance apart, so "right next to each other" would have to be on a cosmological scale, not a human scale. And if you ignore that or ignore the gravity part and just say that the light would be red-shifted, then you would still be ignoring the laws of physics and writing non-science.
 
Thank you. That's a great help. I've been trying to figure this out for days, and I thought the light would shift. The huge gravitational field is another issue, which I didn't consider.
 
AlanMC said:
Thank you. That's a great help. I've been trying to figure this out for days, and I thought the light would shift. The huge gravitational field is another issue, which I didn't consider.
Your post crossed w/ my EDIT, so read my post addendum.
 
That's certainly more to consider. For the scenario to work in the way I described it does seem impossible. Perhaps it's a case of writing it as a fantasy rather than a science fiction story. I do appreciate your response. Thanks again.
 
AlanMC said:
Perhaps it's a case of writing it as a fantasy rather than a science fiction story.
Why limit yourself? I could easily imagine a superconductive graviton dome which could act to dilate time within it without the "heavy" side effects... causing a singularity or whatnot.
 
I've certainly asked my question in the right place.
 
jerromyjon said:
Why limit yourself? I could easily imagine a superconductive graviton dome which could act to dilate time within it without the "heavy" side effects... causing a singularity or whatnot.
Yes, but that would be just as unscientific as ignoring the gravity. Not bad as gobbledygook, but I just want to be clear to the OP that it's not science.
 
Is it imperative to your story that one location ACTUALLY be slower? Laws of physics won't allow for that as we understand them right now, but if a species evolved in a very very cold world, energy would be a premium and creatures would simply move very very slowly. A biology based on liquid nitrogen as opposed to water would be frustrating to communicate with, simply saying "hello" might take hours.
 

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