Can someone explain this summation definition to me?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the definition of a summation in the context of calculating the area under a curve for specific functions using limits. Participants explore the notation and the placement of terms within the summation, particularly focusing on the functions f(x) = 4√x and f(x) = ln(x)/x over specified intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the limit definition of the area under the curve and expresses confusion about the placement of terms in the summation, particularly regarding the function f(x) = 4√x.
  • Another participant clarifies that the area can be expressed as a limit involving a summation, emphasizing the equal division of the interval.
  • There is a question about the notation used, specifically whether the notation f(x) refers to the entire expression within the parentheses.
  • Participants discuss the meaning of 'a' in the context of the summation and its relation to the starting value of the interval, questioning why the answer for the function ln(x)/x does not simply reflect the left endpoint of the interval.
  • One participant suggests that clearer notation with parentheses would help in understanding the relationship between the terms in the summation and the function being evaluated.

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Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the notation and the placement of terms within the summation. There is no consensus reached on these points, and multiple interpretations of the notation and its implications remain evident.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in notation and the need for clearer expressions to avoid confusion regarding the definitions and calculations involved.

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A=limn→∞Rn=limn→∞[f(x1)Δx+f(x2)Δx+...+f(xn)Δx]

Consider the function f(x)=4√x, 1≤x≤16. Using the above definition, determine which of the following expressions represents the area under the graph of f as a limit.

I knew the correct answer was \sum \frac{15}{n} (4√x+\frac{15i}{n})

I figured out most of this, but the only thing I don't get is how you figure out is basically since you start the sum from i=1 to n, that you have to shift the sum up. If i=0, then I think there would be no "1+" term, right?
But let's say it was... i =5 to n. I have no idea why, or where you would put the added terms in order for the sum to work. I thought that it would be outside of the function 4√x but inside of the summnation, because, well, you're just adding values, right?
I don't see or understand intuitively why 1+ would go inside of 4√x.Similarly, I got this right but didn't understand the idea.
A=limn→∞Rn=limn→∞[f(x1)Δx+f(x2)Δx+...+f(xn)Δx]

Consider the function f(x) = \frac{ln(x)}{x},3≤x≤10. Using the above definition, determine which of the following expressions represents the area under the graph of f as a limit.

Of course, the answer was Δx and \frac{ln 3+\frac{7i}{n}}{3+\frac{7i}{n}}, but just like above, wasn't sure why the \frac{ln3}{3} went there. I thought if anything, it should be an added term, not mixed up with the main fraction.
 
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The area is

$$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{i=1}^n \dfrac{b-a}{n}\mathrm{f}\left(a+i\dfrac{b-a}{n}\right)$$

The function values are determined by dividing the interval into equal parts. a+i(b-a)/n are the points that that divide the interval evenly.
 
Thanks, I understand that, but just about the notation- Do you mean to say f(x)? And the X being all the stuff in parentheses?

But sorry, I have another confusion- if a is on the inside of those parentheses, isn't A the starting value? Then why, for example is the answer for that lnx/x one not the A value from, 3≤x≤10, which would make it 3, right? Instead of ln3?
 
CookieSalesman said:
Thanks, I understand that, but just about the notation- Do you mean to say f(x)? And the X being all the stuff in parentheses?
I'm pretty sure he didn't mean f(x) or he would have written that. To understand what that notation means, try it out with a simple function like f(x) = x2 and an interval [0, 2].

See what you get with, say, n = 4. The summation will have 4 terms.
CookieSalesman said:
But sorry, I have another confusion- if a is on the inside of those parentheses, isn't A the starting value?
a is the left endpoint of the interval.
CookieSalesman said:
Then why, for example is the answer for that lnx/x one not the A value from, 3≤x≤10, which would make it 3, right? Instead of ln3?
This doesn't make much sense, so I don't know what you're asking.
 
CookieSalesman said:
But sorry, I have another confusion- if a is on the inside of those parentheses, isn't A the starting value? Then why, for example is the answer for that lnx/x one not the A value from, 3≤x≤10, which would make it 3, right? Instead of ln3?
It would have been clearer with parentheses. You should have written
$$\frac{\ln \left(3 + \frac{7i}n\right)}{3 + \frac{7i}n}$$ which I hope you recognize as ##f\left(3 + \frac{7i}n\right)## when ##f(x) = \frac{\ln x}{x}##.
 

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