Can someone explain to me what's the Schrodingers cat?

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The discussion revolves around the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment, exploring its implications in quantum mechanics and seeking a clearer explanation suitable for a high school audience. Participants share resources and attempt to clarify the concept of superposition and wave function collapse.

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  • One participant requests a simplified explanation of Schrödinger's cat, indicating confusion from previous explanations.
  • Another participant suggests looking at Wikipedia for clarity and encourages asking specific questions afterward.
  • A participant proposes using a video from Sixty Symbols to explain the concept of superposition and wave function collapse in relation to the thought experiment.
  • Some participants discuss the idea of superposition, noting that while quantum objects can exist in a mixture of states, measurement leads to a definite state.
  • One participant mentions that decoherence occurs when the system interacts with the environment, suggesting the cat remains in a superposition of alive and dead until measured.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that the cat is in a mixed state due to entanglement with the radioactive source, while the system as a whole is in superposition.

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Participants express differing views on the state of the cat in the thought experiment, with some arguing it remains in superposition while others contend it is in a mixed state. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these interpretations.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of superposition and mixed states, as well as the implications of decoherence in the context of the thought experiment.

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Hi, I'm new to this thread. My brother tried to explain the Schrödinger's cat to me but the explanation was vague, I became confused. Can someone explain to me in high schooler language what it is and how it works? Thanks in advance.
 
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Have you tried looking on Wikipedia or at other sources (that may be more clear than your brother)? Try reading through the Wikipedia article and then ask any specific questions you still may have? :smile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat
 
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DeltaForce said:
Hi, I'm new to this thread. My brother tried to explain the Schrödinger's cat to me but the explanation was vague, I became confused. Can someone explain to me in high schooler language what it is and how it works? Thanks in advance.
A good book in general, to get an understanding of quantum mechanics which underpins the cat thought experiment, is 'Sneaking a Look at God's Cards' - https://www.amazon.com/dp/069113037X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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DeltaForce said:
My brother tried to explain the Schrödinger's cat to me but the explanation was vague, I became confused. Can someone explain to me in high schooler language what it is and how it works? Thanks in advance.
I will give it a try with the help of a Sixty Symbols video. :smile:

In quantum mechanics, objects can be in a so-called superposition of states, which is sort of a mixture of different states. However when they are measured, i.e. interacts with the environment, objects are found to be in a particular state and never in a mixture of states. The process of going from a superposition to a particular state is called wave function collapse. The Schrödinger's cat, which is a thought experiment, is taking this idea up to a macroscopic level (which in the case with the cat can not be done in reality1) in order to describe the counterintuitive process of going from a superposition of states to a particular state.

1 Nowadays, there are however a number of experiments that have managed to put large objects in superposition, though the objects have not been as large as cats.

Here is a video from Sixty Symbols about the Shrödinger's cat thought experiment:
 
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I will give it a try with the help of a Sixty Symbols video. :smile:

In quantum mechanics, objects can be in a so-called superposition of states, which is sort of a mixture of different states. However when they are measured, i.e. interacts with the environment, objects are found to be in a particular state and never in a mixture of states. The process of going from a superposition to a particular state is called wave function collapse.

Please do note that decoherence, which is the system (e.g. the cat) interacting with the environment, is in principle still in a superposition. That means in the thought experiment, the cat is NOT either dead or alive after decoherence, rather, as quantum mechanics predicts, a superposition of alive and dead.
 
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Please do note that decoherence, which is the system (e.g. the cat) interacting with the environment, is in principle still in a superposition..

The cat is not in a superposition - it is in a mixed state. It is entangled with the radioactive source. The system radioactive source and cat is in a superposition, but each part is in a mixed state.

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Bill
 
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